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More arguments:

1. "You are sexist" not an argument.

2. "gang rape indicates a kind of pathology/evil that opioid overdoses don’t" - Sure, but that doesn't change how policy should be restructured to respond to either one. Policy should be proportionate to harm, not to intention. Gang rape doesn't undermine the legitimacy of the state, unless it causes delegitimization, which I address in the essay. Hence the term "dirty harry leftism" as the tagline.

3. "Complacency or nihilism about importing the most grotesque misogyny on earth and letting it pollute public norms is itself in effect misogynistic" - Using misogyny twice in a sentence is not going to convince someone who called himself a "feminist misogynist" in his last article. There is no "pollution of public norms" because white men are not becoming more rapy as a result of brown rape. Rape is not a miasma disease that fills the air and infects people.

4. "It is culturally salutary to react to things like this with a collective disgust that exceeds eg the emotional reaction to statistically greater-incidence harms like slip-and-fall deaths." - I disagree, I think rape happened more frequently in the past and induced a lesser response. My argument is that if you want to be racist, just be racist, and stop hiding behind feminism. I argue in this essay that you are embracing leftism to beat the left, which I think you should seriously consider at a deeper level rather than dismissing the idea. I understand your argument; I do not think you have considered mine.

5. "Suppressing that disgust (sometimes literally via censorship) is a profound form of cucking that’s sad, depraved, and in this instance a betrayal of women" - Calling a man a cuck who just posted an essay on closeted homosexuality is also an ad hom that will not work.

I disagree on the scale, scope, magnitude of the problem. I am not a right-wing feminist who believes a marginal 1% decrease in native female welfare is a magic spell that can morally guilt me into prioritizing statistically insignificant events. Name calling isn't going to turn an incident from 10 years ago into proportionate policy. I go by data. I never have found terrorism to be a qualifying argument for any form of safetyism. Rape is not the civilizational issue of our time.

If I were to rephrase your argument, it would be something like this:

"A single rape by a brown man should result in mass deportations because it reflects weakness on the part of whites. If whites were strong, they would defend their own women. Whites need to become more conservative, with a higher sense of collectivism, disgust response, hysteria, and xenophobia. Whites need to be less open, less objective, and focus more on symbolic cultural conflict."

These assertions are aesthetic in nature. Disgust is justified via disgust. "Your lack of disgust response disgusts me; it is unhealthy." Ok, that is an expression of your emotional feelings, but it is not an argument that would persuade someone who disagrees with you. I think that whites being more conservative would be a net negative, and whites being more open is a net positive, and the incidence of rape is not sufficient for me to change my mind on this. If 100% of white women were being raped I might change my mind, but you'd have to qualify the damage done, rather than asserting that rape is infinitely bad.

I think it would be easier to discuss murder, because we can quantify murder. The inability to quantify the harm done by crimes, saying that the harm is unquantifiable and infinite, is not an attitude which has any place in policy. You cannot construct policy around the concept of infinite harm, except perhaps when it comes to the legitimacy of the state (because without state legitimacy no other policy can be enacted).

If you were to say that each rape costs $100k, and give me evidence of the number of rapes, we could then compare to the counter factual in which Europe becomes conservative, and what the net impact would be. I think Europe becoming conservative, like Hungary, would be massively negative. My default hypothesis is that ever hysterical, salacious story (like Epstein) is marginal unless proven otherwise. The burden of proof is on hysterical conservatives to prove otherwise, not on me. Once they have done that, I am willing to engage.

Feel free to leave a public comment response, but I have addressed all these subjects in the original article.

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CuriousDik1Dik2's avatar

You're entertaining but essentially completely nuts. Why do Americans love spreadsheet bullshit so much? Good day to you.

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