2. "gang rape indicates a kind of pathology/evil that opioid overdoses don’t" - Sure, but that doesn't change how policy should be restructured to respond to either one. Policy should be proportionate to harm, not to intention. Gang rape doesn't undermine the legitimacy of the state, unless it causes delegitimization, which I address in the essay. Hence the term "dirty harry leftism" as the tagline.
3. "Complacency or nihilism about importing the most grotesque misogyny on earth and letting it pollute public norms is itself in effect misogynistic" - Using misogyny twice in a sentence is not going to convince someone who called himself a "feminist misogynist" in his last article. There is no "pollution of public norms" because white men are not becoming more rapy as a result of brown rape. Rape is not a miasma disease that fills the air and infects people.
4. "It is culturally salutary to react to things like this with a collective disgust that exceeds eg the emotional reaction to statistically greater-incidence harms like slip-and-fall deaths." - I disagree, I think rape happened more frequently in the past and induced a lesser response. My argument is that if you want to be racist, just be racist, and stop hiding behind feminism. I argue in this essay that you are embracing leftism to beat the left, which I think you should seriously consider at a deeper level rather than dismissing the idea. I understand your argument; I do not think you have considered mine.
5. "Suppressing that disgust (sometimes literally via censorship) is a profound form of cucking that’s sad, depraved, and in this instance a betrayal of women" - Calling a man a cuck who just posted an essay on closeted homosexuality is also an ad hom that will not work.
I disagree on the scale, scope, magnitude of the problem. I am not a right-wing feminist who believes a marginal 1% decrease in native female welfare is a magic spell that can morally guilt me into prioritizing statistically insignificant events. Name calling isn't going to turn an incident from 10 years ago into proportionate policy. I go by data. I never have found terrorism to be a qualifying argument for any form of safetyism. Rape is not the civilizational issue of our time.
If I were to rephrase your argument, it would be something like this:
"A single rape by a brown man should result in mass deportations because it reflects weakness on the part of whites. If whites were strong, they would defend their own women. Whites need to become more conservative, with a higher sense of collectivism, disgust response, hysteria, and xenophobia. Whites need to be less open, less objective, and focus more on symbolic cultural conflict."
These assertions are aesthetic in nature. Disgust is justified via disgust. "Your lack of disgust response disgusts me; it is unhealthy." Ok, that is an expression of your emotional feelings, but it is not an argument that would persuade someone who disagrees with you. I think that whites being more conservative would be a net negative, and whites being more open is a net positive, and the incidence of rape is not sufficient for me to change my mind on this. If 100% of white women were being raped I might change my mind, but you'd have to qualify the damage done, rather than asserting that rape is infinitely bad.
I think it would be easier to discuss murder, because we can quantify murder. The inability to quantify the harm done by crimes, saying that the harm is unquantifiable and infinite, is not an attitude which has any place in policy. You cannot construct policy around the concept of infinite harm, except perhaps when it comes to the legitimacy of the state (because without state legitimacy no other policy can be enacted).
If you were to say that each rape costs $100k, and give me evidence of the number of rapes, we could then compare to the counter factual in which Europe becomes conservative, and what the net impact would be. I think Europe becoming conservative, like Hungary, would be massively negative. My default hypothesis is that ever hysterical, salacious story (like Epstein) is marginal unless proven otherwise. The burden of proof is on hysterical conservatives to prove otherwise, not on me. Once they have done that, I am willing to engage.
Feel free to leave a public comment response, but I have addressed all these subjects in the original article.
2. Unpunished & underpunished crimes always delegitimize the state.
3. "Rape is not a miasma disease" Eh, "rape culture" is a large side-discussion that isn't especially relevant to migrants, except maybe that they could be said to have "rape culture" turned up to 11, but I would bet that there is also a biological component to it, such that the culture could never be fully separated from the person.
4. "...rape happened more frequently in the past, and induced a lesser response." I'd give this a 99.9% chance of being true. Sometimes it feels like I'm the only person in the world who takes rape seriously, even considering feminists.
How to change your mind: As you're (or at least sort of seem to be) some kind of utilitarian, I don't really care to. It's more interesting just to see an alien perspective on it.
Your post gave me a newfound appreciation for the UK's laws against certain expressions of speech. While some people on the left might from time to time support policies that inadvertently result in suffering or a loss of welfare, they generally do this for altruistic and benevolent reasons. People like you, on the other hand, are a cancer on society and morally repugnant to the utmost. With absolute sincerity, I believe that in a just society, you would be jailed, tortured and then finally burned alive for being a disgusting sociopathic creature. It's a testament to the brokenness of our current social order that you're allowed to roam free on the streets. Don't call yourself a 'leftist' when you're a nihilistic crypto-fascist whose only problem with Apartheid or Nazi Germany was the fact that their rate of economic growth wasn't fast enough.
It's too bad you hide behind your ridiculous pseudonym, you little Hitlerite. People have a right to know who these amoral right wing preachers of hate are and where they live. You don't have the right to live in peace.
Napoleon did not invade Russia in winter. He invaded Russia in the summer and lost the bulk of his army during that summer heat. By the time winter began setting in he was already fucked.
This is so utterly surface level that it somewhat hurts to read. You're going to dismiss Pakistani noncery on the basis of FT stats? Get yourself checked
What you are getting at when you say "the right wing is strongest where it is most leftist" is an extremely profound observation --- I would love to read a deeper analysis of it. This is the sort of observation that makes the essay worth reading, but so much of the rest feels maybe too wildly satirical and wacky (granted I'm never exactly sure where the satire begins and ends and I don't really like not knowing because the topic is so dark sometimes that it is like the office tv show maximizing discomfort for humor, but I guess that is what you must be aiming to achieve). The experience I had reading the piece was a bit like watching a dark galaxy-brain austin powers movie with an occasional observation of this kind suddenly entering into a more Dostoyevsky-level pitch piercing right into the heart of the mystery of human nature. If you dialed down the austin powers parts a bit more (not necessarily to zero, satire can be fun, but maybe just slightly more toned down so at least one non-ubermensch out there can get the joke) and dialed up the Dostoyevsky-level analysis, then the writing would certainly be way more incisive than the other maniacs in this genre like Sam Kriss and Yarvin who are really just the exact same person (maybe for reasons adjacent to your observation?)
You are under my aegis. No harm shall befall you in the southeast of England. No pub in the Cotswolds shall turn you away. But my power wanes as you venture north....
No it isn’t, the left is literally defined by opposition to capitalism and the abolition of private property, not elitist capitalistic stances. You’re the one attempting to semantics yourself into “left” when that’s not what you are at all. You have Destiny style rhetoric where you try to make basic bitch pro establishment views look dark and edgy.
Hi, I am commenting only because I am the woman you're calling out specifically in this post. I only read that part after I deleted that substack. The mask, as I mentioned, was because my roommate/best friend told me to put it on. I followed his advice because it seemed lost cost to do so and I was right about to join the call. I didn't really think much about it and in fact pushed back a bit before giving in for the aforementioned reasons, and because he resents if I don't follow his advice. I didn't think you were going to physically harm me though my roommate might have thought this. He also tends to be paranoid but in a different way than me. I took off the mask when you demanded it.
I had messaged you because I wanted to possibly date you or something similar. I hadn't thought it through very much. I realized you did not seem to want this and that the pegging comments had made you uncomfortable after your article. So, I tried to make clear that I wasn't going to cause any issues and you didn't need to talk to me. Your responses were confusing me because of the tone and formatting. I apologized for what I could as well as stopped the subscription in case that was making you uncomfortable. That was why I kept saying that stuff and ultimately why I left the platform. (I realize you probably do not judge this well either. It was exhausting and a net negative for me to be on that account though.)
Anyway if you want do to reach out I gave a couple of ways to do so. If you do reach out, I can tell you my irl name and such. I realize you probably don't want to, and I unintentionally made a bad impression. So, of course, don't feel like you need to. I wish you well.
Lol thank you. I appreciate your belief in me. I don't know if there's any evidence that he is attracted to people who look like me. He keeps saying that he's a homosexual but likes Latinas, Black women, Jewish women, etc.. I guess I'm part Hispanic (and that part is mostly Spanish). I am mostly Nothern European though. Also everything I do upsets him.
I don’t know if you ever read his biography. He’s basically a former gay environmentalist used to write novels about his sexual adventures before denouncing non-white occupation/colonization
You revealed your lack of knowledge as soon as you wrote "In general, if you do not want your daughter to be raped, it is fairly easy to avoid that outcome. The only people who do not avoid this outcome successfully are poor drug addicts who are probably abusing their kids already." Multiple cases of parents trying to get their kidnapped children back, only for the parents - not their kidnappers - to be arrested
In 2015 I was in Cologne, and noticed a curious thing. A hundred young people socialized in front of a mall. And it was all white girls and Arab-like boys. The situation seemed on both part entirely consensual, when you consider that the Arab-like girls were non-consensually not participating, not being let out by their families, and the white boys were the same, probably promised a beating from the Arab boys if they show up.
This is why right wing white men are enraged. They talk about rape, because that is a big crime, they hope to get support that way. But the reality is they are losing in sexual competition in consensual ways.
They feel humiliated by this, because men tend to see the women of their country their collective property.
Those 16 years old Arab boys looked like proper men. Muscles, beards, fierce eyes, confident grins, someone who looks like can fight and enjoy it. German men even at 20 look like unbaked bread dough, no bit of fight in them at all.
I am not a redpiller, but the specific way I am not a redpiller is that I think redpillery describes accurately an immature mindset which people grow out of. It describes teenagers generally correctly, but then at 30 the former alpha is a bum and the former beta is a confident engineer.
But it is true for teenagers. And it was 100% like that, the whole alpha/beta problem perfectly. The Arab boys like tribal warriors, the German boys like... nothing.
This what pisses them off, not rape. It is that they are in the cuck chair.
Poland was doomed from the Point when it was pushed to be aggressive toward germany, believing france and britain would keep hitler in check. But they never intended to aid poland. Rather lure germany in a false sense of power.
More arguments:
1. "You are sexist" not an argument.
2. "gang rape indicates a kind of pathology/evil that opioid overdoses don’t" - Sure, but that doesn't change how policy should be restructured to respond to either one. Policy should be proportionate to harm, not to intention. Gang rape doesn't undermine the legitimacy of the state, unless it causes delegitimization, which I address in the essay. Hence the term "dirty harry leftism" as the tagline.
3. "Complacency or nihilism about importing the most grotesque misogyny on earth and letting it pollute public norms is itself in effect misogynistic" - Using misogyny twice in a sentence is not going to convince someone who called himself a "feminist misogynist" in his last article. There is no "pollution of public norms" because white men are not becoming more rapy as a result of brown rape. Rape is not a miasma disease that fills the air and infects people.
4. "It is culturally salutary to react to things like this with a collective disgust that exceeds eg the emotional reaction to statistically greater-incidence harms like slip-and-fall deaths." - I disagree, I think rape happened more frequently in the past and induced a lesser response. My argument is that if you want to be racist, just be racist, and stop hiding behind feminism. I argue in this essay that you are embracing leftism to beat the left, which I think you should seriously consider at a deeper level rather than dismissing the idea. I understand your argument; I do not think you have considered mine.
5. "Suppressing that disgust (sometimes literally via censorship) is a profound form of cucking that’s sad, depraved, and in this instance a betrayal of women" - Calling a man a cuck who just posted an essay on closeted homosexuality is also an ad hom that will not work.
I disagree on the scale, scope, magnitude of the problem. I am not a right-wing feminist who believes a marginal 1% decrease in native female welfare is a magic spell that can morally guilt me into prioritizing statistically insignificant events. Name calling isn't going to turn an incident from 10 years ago into proportionate policy. I go by data. I never have found terrorism to be a qualifying argument for any form of safetyism. Rape is not the civilizational issue of our time.
If I were to rephrase your argument, it would be something like this:
"A single rape by a brown man should result in mass deportations because it reflects weakness on the part of whites. If whites were strong, they would defend their own women. Whites need to become more conservative, with a higher sense of collectivism, disgust response, hysteria, and xenophobia. Whites need to be less open, less objective, and focus more on symbolic cultural conflict."
These assertions are aesthetic in nature. Disgust is justified via disgust. "Your lack of disgust response disgusts me; it is unhealthy." Ok, that is an expression of your emotional feelings, but it is not an argument that would persuade someone who disagrees with you. I think that whites being more conservative would be a net negative, and whites being more open is a net positive, and the incidence of rape is not sufficient for me to change my mind on this. If 100% of white women were being raped I might change my mind, but you'd have to qualify the damage done, rather than asserting that rape is infinitely bad.
I think it would be easier to discuss murder, because we can quantify murder. The inability to quantify the harm done by crimes, saying that the harm is unquantifiable and infinite, is not an attitude which has any place in policy. You cannot construct policy around the concept of infinite harm, except perhaps when it comes to the legitimacy of the state (because without state legitimacy no other policy can be enacted).
If you were to say that each rape costs $100k, and give me evidence of the number of rapes, we could then compare to the counter factual in which Europe becomes conservative, and what the net impact would be. I think Europe becoming conservative, like Hungary, would be massively negative. My default hypothesis is that ever hysterical, salacious story (like Epstein) is marginal unless proven otherwise. The burden of proof is on hysterical conservatives to prove otherwise, not on me. Once they have done that, I am willing to engage.
Feel free to leave a public comment response, but I have addressed all these subjects in the original article.
2. Unpunished & underpunished crimes always delegitimize the state.
3. "Rape is not a miasma disease" Eh, "rape culture" is a large side-discussion that isn't especially relevant to migrants, except maybe that they could be said to have "rape culture" turned up to 11, but I would bet that there is also a biological component to it, such that the culture could never be fully separated from the person.
4. "...rape happened more frequently in the past, and induced a lesser response." I'd give this a 99.9% chance of being true. Sometimes it feels like I'm the only person in the world who takes rape seriously, even considering feminists.
How to change your mind: As you're (or at least sort of seem to be) some kind of utilitarian, I don't really care to. It's more interesting just to see an alien perspective on it.
Thanks!
“Policy should be proportionate to harm…”
Policy should be designed to solve problems.
I'm still reading the article, that one just caught my eye.
You're entertaining but essentially completely nuts. Why do Americans love spreadsheet bullshit so much? Good day to you.
good argument
Your post gave me a newfound appreciation for the UK's laws against certain expressions of speech. While some people on the left might from time to time support policies that inadvertently result in suffering or a loss of welfare, they generally do this for altruistic and benevolent reasons. People like you, on the other hand, are a cancer on society and morally repugnant to the utmost. With absolute sincerity, I believe that in a just society, you would be jailed, tortured and then finally burned alive for being a disgusting sociopathic creature. It's a testament to the brokenness of our current social order that you're allowed to roam free on the streets. Don't call yourself a 'leftist' when you're a nihilistic crypto-fascist whose only problem with Apartheid or Nazi Germany was the fact that their rate of economic growth wasn't fast enough.
"you are a sociopath. Also, I want to torture you for words"
Nazis like you who advocate for rape, suffering and oppression deserve to be raped, beaten and oppressed.
never advocated for that, you sound like a fascist
It's too bad you hide behind your ridiculous pseudonym, you little Hitlerite. People have a right to know who these amoral right wing preachers of hate are and where they live. You don't have the right to live in peace.
Do not be mean to strangers on the internet.
You’re definitely a jew.
What does fascism mean to you?
Napoleon did not invade Russia in winter. He invaded Russia in the summer and lost the bulk of his army during that summer heat. By the time winter began setting in he was already fucked.
I was wrong, but the "winter invasion of Moscow" invasion started in September, not the Summer. Of Moscow, not Russia.
This is so utterly surface level that it somewhat hurts to read. You're going to dismiss Pakistani noncery on the basis of FT stats? Get yourself checked
what's FT?
The Financial Times, a centre left globalist rag. You don't even know the sources of your data? Embarrassing.
Dispute my claims with quotes and counter-sources; you have nothing but invective. You think infinite rapes occurred because you are a lickerman.
What you are getting at when you say "the right wing is strongest where it is most leftist" is an extremely profound observation --- I would love to read a deeper analysis of it. This is the sort of observation that makes the essay worth reading, but so much of the rest feels maybe too wildly satirical and wacky (granted I'm never exactly sure where the satire begins and ends and I don't really like not knowing because the topic is so dark sometimes that it is like the office tv show maximizing discomfort for humor, but I guess that is what you must be aiming to achieve). The experience I had reading the piece was a bit like watching a dark galaxy-brain austin powers movie with an occasional observation of this kind suddenly entering into a more Dostoyevsky-level pitch piercing right into the heart of the mystery of human nature. If you dialed down the austin powers parts a bit more (not necessarily to zero, satire can be fun, but maybe just slightly more toned down so at least one non-ubermensch out there can get the joke) and dialed up the Dostoyevsky-level analysis, then the writing would certainly be way more incisive than the other maniacs in this genre like Sam Kriss and Yarvin who are really just the exact same person (maybe for reasons adjacent to your observation?)
If there's something you find to be satirical but not sure, you can quote me and ask for clarification
Yet another tour de force, capturing precisely all the truths. Never kill yourself
Mahin protect me
You are under my aegis. No harm shall befall you in the southeast of England. No pub in the Cotswolds shall turn you away. But my power wanes as you venture north....
Except in the UK and Ireland, cops in Europe carry guns. Sometimes big ones.
If leftism legitimizes the state by depicting the state as a protector of victims, what is elitist leftism?
Neo-liberal and interventionist.
How is that even leftist? That’s just liberal capitalism .
In the context of the global binary struggle between left and right I am firmly on the left. You sound like a communist.
Neo liberal and interventionist are neoconservative, right wing views. Those are not left at all.
That's a semantic game that has nothing to do with real politics.
No it isn’t, the left is literally defined by opposition to capitalism and the abolition of private property, not elitist capitalistic stances. You’re the one attempting to semantics yourself into “left” when that’s not what you are at all. You have Destiny style rhetoric where you try to make basic bitch pro establishment views look dark and edgy.
Hi, I am commenting only because I am the woman you're calling out specifically in this post. I only read that part after I deleted that substack. The mask, as I mentioned, was because my roommate/best friend told me to put it on. I followed his advice because it seemed lost cost to do so and I was right about to join the call. I didn't really think much about it and in fact pushed back a bit before giving in for the aforementioned reasons, and because he resents if I don't follow his advice. I didn't think you were going to physically harm me though my roommate might have thought this. He also tends to be paranoid but in a different way than me. I took off the mask when you demanded it.
I had messaged you because I wanted to possibly date you or something similar. I hadn't thought it through very much. I realized you did not seem to want this and that the pegging comments had made you uncomfortable after your article. So, I tried to make clear that I wasn't going to cause any issues and you didn't need to talk to me. Your responses were confusing me because of the tone and formatting. I apologized for what I could as well as stopped the subscription in case that was making you uncomfortable. That was why I kept saying that stuff and ultimately why I left the platform. (I realize you probably do not judge this well either. It was exhausting and a net negative for me to be on that account though.)
Anyway if you want do to reach out I gave a couple of ways to do so. If you do reach out, I can tell you my irl name and such. I realize you probably don't want to, and I unintentionally made a bad impression. So, of course, don't feel like you need to. I wish you well.
Girl you can get him I believe in you
Lol thank you. I appreciate your belief in me. I don't know if there's any evidence that he is attracted to people who look like me. He keeps saying that he's a homosexual but likes Latinas, Black women, Jewish women, etc.. I guess I'm part Hispanic (and that part is mostly Spanish). I am mostly Nothern European though. Also everything I do upsets him.
“the right-wing is revealing itself as the warmed-over leftovers of the left.”
Basically Renaud Camus
does he say such things? I wasn't aware.
I don’t know if you ever read his biography. He’s basically a former gay environmentalist used to write novels about his sexual adventures before denouncing non-white occupation/colonization
I've never read anything by him.
Oops I meant to post to you. Is he being serious or satirical? I couldn’t read the whole thing because I found it too hateful.
You revealed your lack of knowledge as soon as you wrote "In general, if you do not want your daughter to be raped, it is fairly easy to avoid that outcome. The only people who do not avoid this outcome successfully are poor drug addicts who are probably abusing their kids already." Multiple cases of parents trying to get their kidnapped children back, only for the parents - not their kidnappers - to be arrested
In 2015 I was in Cologne, and noticed a curious thing. A hundred young people socialized in front of a mall. And it was all white girls and Arab-like boys. The situation seemed on both part entirely consensual, when you consider that the Arab-like girls were non-consensually not participating, not being let out by their families, and the white boys were the same, probably promised a beating from the Arab boys if they show up.
This is why right wing white men are enraged. They talk about rape, because that is a big crime, they hope to get support that way. But the reality is they are losing in sexual competition in consensual ways.
They feel humiliated by this, because men tend to see the women of their country their collective property.
Those 16 years old Arab boys looked like proper men. Muscles, beards, fierce eyes, confident grins, someone who looks like can fight and enjoy it. German men even at 20 look like unbaked bread dough, no bit of fight in them at all.
I am not a redpiller, but the specific way I am not a redpiller is that I think redpillery describes accurately an immature mindset which people grow out of. It describes teenagers generally correctly, but then at 30 the former alpha is a bum and the former beta is a confident engineer.
But it is true for teenagers. And it was 100% like that, the whole alpha/beta problem perfectly. The Arab boys like tribal warriors, the German boys like... nothing.
This what pisses them off, not rape. It is that they are in the cuck chair.
Just don’t look into what organizations are importing “diversity” into what were white, European monocultures.
I will be writing a Jewish defense of white genocide soon
Jews are horrible.
But we are excellent!
Germany should have won the World wars, but you anglo Americans allied twice with russia and france.
And german occupation of europe was not that bad. Acutally it was very loose leashed.
Tell that to the Poles.
Poland was doomed from the Point when it was pushed to be aggressive toward germany, believing france and britain would keep hitler in check. But they never intended to aid poland. Rather lure germany in a false sense of power.
The genocide against the Poles was bad.
There was no against aigainst Poles. It was against the Jews and yes, it was false.
You're a liar. Poles were exterminated.
"the left wing case for Nazi victory in WW2"
Good stuff man. Increasingly hard to write something that angers everyone which you did here in spades