In all honesty I think most of dissident right just supports Russia out of spite. In many ways they are kinda like Satan in Paradise Lost. They are in a constant state of seething and coping. They dilute themselves into believing that it is better reign in hell than to serve in heaven. Or in their case it’s better to shill for Russia/China than to serve the interests of the west. Was Satan the original Chud?
Or maybe just maybe because ‘we’ realize our worst enemies are domestic and comprise our very own business and political ruling elites and have better sense of priorities than keyboard Fukuyamaists out here.
Betraying America and siding with Russia and China isn't going to make you any more competent. Maybe you like Russia because you want a nepotistic system where you can grift off your cousins rather than doing anything yourself.
Except I don’t see it as ‘betraying America.’ You are also one to to use nationalist rhetoric about ‘treason’ to this or that nation as a proponent of Empire and rootless cosmopolitanism. I wish you would just come out of the closet already as ‘a Nietzschean Neoliberal.’ The real American tradition is non-interventionist and and-Empire.
Go ahead and let me know what your religion is. You're another agnostic who worships white people, the people that hate you and everything you stand for, right?
What do you like about white people? Please make sure your answer is not about some fantasy you have in your head of white people, but actually describes how people exist in the world today and are broadly different from other groups. E.g "I think white people are the best because they have fewer rightoid style hangups about sexuality and this makes for a much kinder and more open society, which is the type everyone in the world wants to free ride off, even if they themselves lack the psychological maturity to contribute to it feeling kinder and more open."
I’m for destroying the American Empire and freeing the American people from our criminal elites. You seem to assume the interests of our elites are synonymous with those of the average American. They aren’t. You call yourself ‘imperialist’ but for what exactly? For Starbucks and Amazon? That’s the what it’s all about. You have no ideals or have even defined so far what ‘American’ is or means.
A lot of these Russia defenders "who hate the west" ironically become super defensive when you point out Russia is not the west. They instinctually argue when you point out lack of political freedoms or Russia being poor rather than say "well, that's good they don't have any political agitation" or that "wealth makes you decadent".
Good that Russian fanbois are getting a dose of reality. Nice prophetic techno-Moses flourish at the end.
There's a book published in 2014 -- Peter Pomerantsev's Nothing is True and Anything is Possible: The Surreal Heart of the New Russia -- that paints a clear picture of what is going on over there. The tl;dr is that the Russian state runs on a kind of postmodern authoritarianism. It beats its subjects over the head with incoherent chaos -- the more dissonant, varied, contradictory, and confusing, the better. The government both promotes and cracks down on stuff like Nazis, Islamic fundamentalism, the gay scene, etc. The idea is that if people don't know what to trust, they become passive, submissive, pessimistic, and apathetic.
You have a real hard-on where Russia is concerned and a deep well of hostility to it. Perhaps there are erm ‘cultural reasons’ on your part. Once again, Ken, our interests aren’t synonymous here. I don’t give a fuck about Ukraine.
Reminded me of these chechen war documentaries -one of them being called “cursed and forgotten” where it depicts russias situation at the time as well with its downward spiral into degeneracy and shows a scene at some sort of party with this overtly sexualized bIack guy and i remember there being another one but it was even worse because there were like a lot of girls in their teens just watching what was basically softcore interracial stuff on stage . disturbing stuff
I don’t have any faith in Silicon Valley tech leaders to act the part of the Mongol khan. Elon musk and Peter thiel, the most reactionary of them, still support immigration and open markets. And their money is dwarfed by the sheer amount of money sunk into progressivism.
My point was to draw parallels between the accusations of the dissident right against the USA and real verifiable problems in Russia. Some of them think hazing is cool, even in the form of gay sodomy, so I didn't find that to be an effective argument.
Russia has always been the reversed mirror of the west, at least since 1917. What was communism if not a reversed capitalism? What is Putinism today if not a reversed kind of US style liberalism?
A famous quote from Kissinger said: "the more I talk with Russian, the more I understand there are not so many differences with us".
Many opinionated what Kissinger actually meant, but now we have all the tools to understand it.
Completely agree that the current adulation of Russia is misguided. Tucker lost all credibility after his grocery shopping spree…But it still seems unlikely that Putin would tolerate Muslim rape and other misbehavior simply due to labor shortages. Must be other reasons as well.
I would think he might tolerate rape, just not from non-white Muslims. Just seems surprising, given his posture as a champion of traditional Russian values and law and order. When I think of rape apologists I think of Western decadence and white guilt. Yes, perhaps apathy and / or too focused on external enemies. Great article thanks.
To answer your first question; they taped quite a few in the 90s war, and with the encouragement of the retrograde neocon element in the U.S. regime, Deep State, media at the time. Many of the usual suspects actually set up a front group at the time called something like ‘Justice for Chechnya or something.
Because it isn’t ’The Jews’ but some of them. Yes, neocons are bad people with a lot of blood on their hands. Making the Mideast safe for Greater Israel is not in my interests as opposed to maintaining a white majority population in the United States and controlling our southern border. We can’t do both.
Raped not ‘taped’ though that latter isn’t far removed from truth as Chechens kidnapped Russian civilians and tried to ransom them off in several tragic cases.
Also, Priests can sense proto-gayness in kids. They know which kids won’t be believed or won’t tell. So, if Milo was molested, his then protogayness made him a target. In other words, the causality is reversed. The priest picks the proto gay to molest. The molestation doesn’t turn an erstwhile proto straight kid into a gay adult.
These are issues many Russian nationalists have spoken of for a while, and Dissident Right who do love Russia and care for or admire its people speak on this as well.
It's part of the gradual awareness the ruling class of this world is, essentially, hegemonic.
Illusions of heroic resistance, conflict, and competition are just that, illusions.
Rurik Skywalker has a great series detailing the connections between the (predominant Jewish) figures of the late USSR under Andropov who worked closely with "the West" to internally detonate the USSR, and then installed Putin and much of the post-collapse "Russian" Federation government.
Basically, it's an occupation government, and everything it has done and does is designed to extract from, expend and replace the Russian people while stripping non-resourcr extractive industries.
People who ignore this are operating under delusions of hope and propaganda.
Speaking of nationalists, the fact that Putin has shut down "Sputnik and Pogrom" and imprisoned Igor Strelkov says a lot about what he thinks about the kind of people the dissident right would naturally be aligned with.
The fact he imports brown people en masses and plans to bring in Sri Lankans, openly discusses the vileness of nationalists, and attended Talmudic reading sessions should have been red flags as well, really.
Imagine thinking a guy is the reincarnation of Hitler when, basically, he's just a typical Soviet-Liberal.
In all honesty I think most of dissident right just supports Russia out of spite. In many ways they are kinda like Satan in Paradise Lost. They are in a constant state of seething and coping. They dilute themselves into believing that it is better reign in hell than to serve in heaven. Or in their case it’s better to shill for Russia/China than to serve the interests of the west. Was Satan the original Chud?
Beautiful comment
Or maybe just maybe because ‘we’ realize our worst enemies are domestic and comprise our very own business and political ruling elites and have better sense of priorities than keyboard Fukuyamaists out here.
Betraying America and siding with Russia and China isn't going to make you any more competent. Maybe you like Russia because you want a nepotistic system where you can grift off your cousins rather than doing anything yourself.
‘Grifting off cousins,’ eh. Unironically an apt description of our neocons and Israeli Lobby.
Yes, handing it over to Russia and China will really show those Israelis who is boss!
Handing what over?
Zero sum global control.
Except I don’t see it as ‘betraying America.’ You are also one to to use nationalist rhetoric about ‘treason’ to this or that nation as a proponent of Empire and rootless cosmopolitanism. I wish you would just come out of the closet already as ‘a Nietzschean Neoliberal.’ The real American tradition is non-interventionist and and-Empire.
I'm not a nationalist, I'm an imperialist. You're a traitor to the Global American Empire.
I am proudly so. The American Empire is gay, Zionist, and anti-white.
Go ahead and let me know what your religion is. You're another agnostic who worships white people, the people that hate you and everything you stand for, right?
What do you like about white people? Please make sure your answer is not about some fantasy you have in your head of white people, but actually describes how people exist in the world today and are broadly different from other groups. E.g "I think white people are the best because they have fewer rightoid style hangups about sexuality and this makes for a much kinder and more open society, which is the type everyone in the world wants to free ride off, even if they themselves lack the psychological maturity to contribute to it feeling kinder and more open."
I’m for destroying the American Empire and freeing the American people from our criminal elites. You seem to assume the interests of our elites are synonymous with those of the average American. They aren’t. You call yourself ‘imperialist’ but for what exactly? For Starbucks and Amazon? That’s the what it’s all about. You have no ideals or have even defined so far what ‘American’ is or means.
What's your religion?
A lot of these Russia defenders "who hate the west" ironically become super defensive when you point out Russia is not the west. They instinctually argue when you point out lack of political freedoms or Russia being poor rather than say "well, that's good they don't have any political agitation" or that "wealth makes you decadent".
Good that Russian fanbois are getting a dose of reality. Nice prophetic techno-Moses flourish at the end.
There's a book published in 2014 -- Peter Pomerantsev's Nothing is True and Anything is Possible: The Surreal Heart of the New Russia -- that paints a clear picture of what is going on over there. The tl;dr is that the Russian state runs on a kind of postmodern authoritarianism. It beats its subjects over the head with incoherent chaos -- the more dissonant, varied, contradictory, and confusing, the better. The government both promotes and cracks down on stuff like Nazis, Islamic fundamentalism, the gay scene, etc. The idea is that if people don't know what to trust, they become passive, submissive, pessimistic, and apathetic.
Kind of like Americans, Canadians, and Western Europeans are these days.
"Russia isn't any better than the west -- just less competent" UH ACTUALLY DID YOU KNOW THE WEST IS BAD TOO??
You have a real hard-on where Russia is concerned and a deep well of hostility to it. Perhaps there are erm ‘cultural reasons’ on your part. Once again, Ken, our interests aren’t synonymous here. I don’t give a fuck about Ukraine.
Thanks for writing this. I had always just assumed Russia was different on these things.
Reminded me of these chechen war documentaries -one of them being called “cursed and forgotten” where it depicts russias situation at the time as well with its downward spiral into degeneracy and shows a scene at some sort of party with this overtly sexualized bIack guy and i remember there being another one but it was even worse because there were like a lot of girls in their teens just watching what was basically softcore interracial stuff on stage . disturbing stuff
I don’t have any faith in Silicon Valley tech leaders to act the part of the Mongol khan. Elon musk and Peter thiel, the most reactionary of them, still support immigration and open markets. And their money is dwarfed by the sheer amount of money sunk into progressivism.
No dedovshchina and gachimuchi mentioned?
My point was to draw parallels between the accusations of the dissident right against the USA and real verifiable problems in Russia. Some of them think hazing is cool, even in the form of gay sodomy, so I didn't find that to be an effective argument.
Russia has always been the reversed mirror of the west, at least since 1917. What was communism if not a reversed capitalism? What is Putinism today if not a reversed kind of US style liberalism?
A famous quote from Kissinger said: "the more I talk with Russian, the more I understand there are not so many differences with us".
Many opinionated what Kissinger actually meant, but now we have all the tools to understand it.
Same can be said of modern China. Palladium podcast has very good episodes discussing this.
Completely agree that the current adulation of Russia is misguided. Tucker lost all credibility after his grocery shopping spree…But it still seems unlikely that Putin would tolerate Muslim rape and other misbehavior simply due to labor shortages. Must be other reasons as well.
Why do you think that Putin wouldn't tolerate rape? I think apathy is more likely than conspiratorial Satanism or malevolence.
I would think he might tolerate rape, just not from non-white Muslims. Just seems surprising, given his posture as a champion of traditional Russian values and law and order. When I think of rape apologists I think of Western decadence and white guilt. Yes, perhaps apathy and / or too focused on external enemies. Great article thanks.
To answer your first question; they taped quite a few in the 90s war, and with the encouragement of the retrograde neocon element in the U.S. regime, Deep State, media at the time. Many of the usual suspects actually set up a front group at the time called something like ‘Justice for Chechnya or something.
It's hilarious that you blame everything bad everyone has ever done around the world on the shadowy "neocons" -- just say Jews, coward!
Because it isn’t ’The Jews’ but some of them. Yes, neocons are bad people with a lot of blood on their hands. Making the Mideast safe for Greater Israel is not in my interests as opposed to maintaining a white majority population in the United States and controlling our southern border. We can’t do both.
Raped not ‘taped’ though that latter isn’t far removed from truth as Chechens kidnapped Russian civilians and tried to ransom them off in several tragic cases.
Don’t know Milo personally but uh nothing turned him gay he just is. That top tier queen affect is born not made.
Also, Priests can sense proto-gayness in kids. They know which kids won’t be believed or won’t tell. So, if Milo was molested, his then protogayness made him a target. In other words, the causality is reversed. The priest picks the proto gay to molest. The molestation doesn’t turn an erstwhile proto straight kid into a gay adult.
These are issues many Russian nationalists have spoken of for a while, and Dissident Right who do love Russia and care for or admire its people speak on this as well.
It's part of the gradual awareness the ruling class of this world is, essentially, hegemonic.
Illusions of heroic resistance, conflict, and competition are just that, illusions.
Rurik Skywalker has a great series detailing the connections between the (predominant Jewish) figures of the late USSR under Andropov who worked closely with "the West" to internally detonate the USSR, and then installed Putin and much of the post-collapse "Russian" Federation government.
Basically, it's an occupation government, and everything it has done and does is designed to extract from, expend and replace the Russian people while stripping non-resourcr extractive industries.
People who ignore this are operating under delusions of hope and propaganda.
Speaking of nationalists, the fact that Putin has shut down "Sputnik and Pogrom" and imprisoned Igor Strelkov says a lot about what he thinks about the kind of people the dissident right would naturally be aligned with.
The fact he imports brown people en masses and plans to bring in Sri Lankans, openly discusses the vileness of nationalists, and attended Talmudic reading sessions should have been red flags as well, really.
Imagine thinking a guy is the reincarnation of Hitler when, basically, he's just a typical Soviet-Liberal.