This is fascinating. Similarly to you, people have a very hard time guessing my political persuasion based upon my OCEAN Factor V results, though similar to yourself I think it’s because I’ve done some metacog and realized that I don’t like the 100 year consequences someone like me would supposedly advocate for. So I end up advocating for things that are pretty contrary to my personal interests and in favor of a hypothetical descendent’s interests. It’s caused a great deal of cognitive dissonance, which imo is likely why you get this personality-politics concordance even in high IQ people who should know better. It’s uncomfortable to advocate for the thing you know would screw you personally should it come to pass, but would help your nation. Anyway great article as per usual
Finally, DLA articles are back, and it didn't dissapoint!!! I have to admit, the title kind of confused me, because I assumed a big part of the Deep Left formula has meritocracy as a core ingredient of it's telos or society vision (against hereditary noblity and family cliques, the best jock should lead the nation, that sort of thing), tough it doesn't seem to be this article main point.
Also, a more personal take of mine, I wonder if we ever meet you'll find me a little annoying because I have a stronger feminine personality than you it seems, in the sense that I'm more safetyist or harm avoidant than what you advocate as your life vision from both a societal and individual perspective.
Don't get me wrong, I support, like and agree with like 80-90% of the stuff you write, but it's that 20-10% that disagrees or gets uncomfortable with your takes that sort of wants to debate you at best, or longhouse you at worst, if you know what I mean.
Elites need to be more of a "caste" and less of a loose, Hanseatic League type group that anyone can join.
In Feudal Europe, Arabia and Japan, elites were a genetic caste. My ancestors in China never had a caste-like genetic elite. That is why we failed.
It also turned out differently in India, I don't think the Knights-Ksatriyas, or Syeds, there were really the same as feudal Europe or Japan.
America historically did have an elite caste, and a separate track for black elites too. Jews and Catholics worked hard to create their separate tracks.
There needs to be hard core exclusion of people who did not grow up upper middle class. My descendants will be working class for the rest of their existence. We will always be plebs in perpetuity and there needs to be groups like that to avoid striverism.
I am focused on identity and less on ancestry. Of course they are related but dividing society into ancestry-based caste is not my desire. I prefer a Freemasonic system.
I'm technically a Mason on some level but not recognized by blue lodge because it's a coed order, but I am absolutely not elite.
Most Masons I know are working class and haven't been to college. I was also invited to do Eastern Star in real masonry.
As a Chinese, I am an inferior, hard working, Vivekian greasy grind and against your idea of "western culture" as a bunch of WASP athletic go getters, and I'm pro China, right or wrong, despite being born in America.
Incidentally, real Chinese (and Indian) people in the motherland are more likely to be athletic if they are elite because being a geek is the domain of high school dropouts there. Like geek as in anime or gaming obsessive. Whereas in America it's package dealed with intellectualism.
That's why H1Bs talk about sports while American programmers talk about Star Trek.
I am less concerned with the 'meritocracy' per se. You inherently need (at least at this point, we will see what AI does) a quite high IQ combined with many years of study to be productive in many fields - and a short term certificate will NOT do. A high intelligence is necessary - but by no means sufficient for dealing with complex situations. Once again, we will see how AI tools impact this.
With respect to the population at large, legal controls are being written to advantage the minority of people with very high executive function and self control, with companies and shops free to take advantage of people/customers who have lower executive function and less self control - gambling, cannabis, ...... Society seems to be far more predatory now than it was half a century ago when controls were tighter.
You do not understand the difference between technicians and leaders. I discuss this in the essay:
"When it comes to managerial or technical tasks, such as programming, engineering, or medical research, IQ-maxing is a decent strategy. Researchers, engineers, and programmers do not require a common worldview or value system in order to coordinate. Their work is not mutually exclusive — working on one computer program or research project does not prevent any other team from working on a separate project."
This is fascinating. Similarly to you, people have a very hard time guessing my political persuasion based upon my OCEAN Factor V results, though similar to yourself I think it’s because I’ve done some metacog and realized that I don’t like the 100 year consequences someone like me would supposedly advocate for. So I end up advocating for things that are pretty contrary to my personal interests and in favor of a hypothetical descendent’s interests. It’s caused a great deal of cognitive dissonance, which imo is likely why you get this personality-politics concordance even in high IQ people who should know better. It’s uncomfortable to advocate for the thing you know would screw you personally should it come to pass, but would help your nation. Anyway great article as per usual
I like this. Humans and AI must develop along orthagonal axes. IQ maxxers cannot compete with AI for long.
Dude you need to learn how to write less. It’s indulgent and not in a good way.
Go back to X, this is what Substack should be.
Whiny losers who never learned to be concise? The ideal of the platform?
Do you read books? You can, uh, skim.
You’re a real intellectual man how can I be more like you?
Not even bro, it's just hard to find anything good to read anymore.
grug hate nerds, grug smash
Not nerds, just you. You are doing bad work.
i’m referring to you, you are the nerds
I don't know why people are calling this too long, I enjoyed reading this while waiting for my Gundam episode to buffer
Are paid articles usually this long?
Finally, DLA articles are back, and it didn't dissapoint!!! I have to admit, the title kind of confused me, because I assumed a big part of the Deep Left formula has meritocracy as a core ingredient of it's telos or society vision (against hereditary noblity and family cliques, the best jock should lead the nation, that sort of thing), tough it doesn't seem to be this article main point.
Also, a more personal take of mine, I wonder if we ever meet you'll find me a little annoying because I have a stronger feminine personality than you it seems, in the sense that I'm more safetyist or harm avoidant than what you advocate as your life vision from both a societal and individual perspective.
Don't get me wrong, I support, like and agree with like 80-90% of the stuff you write, but it's that 20-10% that disagrees or gets uncomfortable with your takes that sort of wants to debate you at best, or longhouse you at worst, if you know what I mean.
Elites need to be more of a "caste" and less of a loose, Hanseatic League type group that anyone can join.
In Feudal Europe, Arabia and Japan, elites were a genetic caste. My ancestors in China never had a caste-like genetic elite. That is why we failed.
It also turned out differently in India, I don't think the Knights-Ksatriyas, or Syeds, there were really the same as feudal Europe or Japan.
America historically did have an elite caste, and a separate track for black elites too. Jews and Catholics worked hard to create their separate tracks.
There needs to be hard core exclusion of people who did not grow up upper middle class. My descendants will be working class for the rest of their existence. We will always be plebs in perpetuity and there needs to be groups like that to avoid striverism.
I am focused on identity and less on ancestry. Of course they are related but dividing society into ancestry-based caste is not my desire. I prefer a Freemasonic system.
I'm technically a Mason on some level but not recognized by blue lodge because it's a coed order, but I am absolutely not elite.
Most Masons I know are working class and haven't been to college. I was also invited to do Eastern Star in real masonry.
As a Chinese, I am an inferior, hard working, Vivekian greasy grind and against your idea of "western culture" as a bunch of WASP athletic go getters, and I'm pro China, right or wrong, despite being born in America.
Incidentally, real Chinese (and Indian) people in the motherland are more likely to be athletic if they are elite because being a geek is the domain of high school dropouts there. Like geek as in anime or gaming obsessive. Whereas in America it's package dealed with intellectualism.
That's why H1Bs talk about sports while American programmers talk about Star Trek.
I am less concerned with the 'meritocracy' per se. You inherently need (at least at this point, we will see what AI does) a quite high IQ combined with many years of study to be productive in many fields - and a short term certificate will NOT do. A high intelligence is necessary - but by no means sufficient for dealing with complex situations. Once again, we will see how AI tools impact this.
With respect to the population at large, legal controls are being written to advantage the minority of people with very high executive function and self control, with companies and shops free to take advantage of people/customers who have lower executive function and less self control - gambling, cannabis, ...... Society seems to be far more predatory now than it was half a century ago when controls were tighter.
You do not understand the difference between technicians and leaders. I discuss this in the essay:
"When it comes to managerial or technical tasks, such as programming, engineering, or medical research, IQ-maxing is a decent strategy. Researchers, engineers, and programmers do not require a common worldview or value system in order to coordinate. Their work is not mutually exclusive — working on one computer program or research project does not prevent any other team from working on a separate project."
Too long bro. Got distracted at "ELITE COHESION".
Not adhd friendly. 3/5 stars.
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