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משכיל בינה's avatar

A lot of this article is kind of not even wrong because you are mixed up about the difference between Charedim and Religious Zionism, which is kind of an entry level distinction. I'm surprised tbh.

DeepLeftAnalysis🔸's avatar

The distinction is in the process of collapsing. As Charedi take more power, they will come to identify with the state; additionally, as Charedi undergo "shedding" (secularization at the margins), they will produce more Religious Zionists. I write in the present-future tense.

anvlex's avatar

I’m not expert on Israeli politics, but my sense is that people most likely to want to nuke Gaza aren’t the Haredi, but the slightly more secular than haredi.

DeepLeftAnalysis🔸's avatar

The distinction is in the process of collapsing. As Charedi take more power, they will come to identify with the state; additionally, as Charedi undergo "shedding" (secularization at the margins), they will produce more Religious Zionists. I write in the present-future tense.

Asmy's avatar

Most coherent post to date, keep it up

DeepLeftAnalysis🔸's avatar

unfortunately I cannot

Joseph Masters's avatar

I think your idea that in the future Saudi Arabia will be more secular than Israel in the future is even more true for Iran. Might even already be the case if you just count society and not the government

DeepLeftAnalysis🔸's avatar

Iran is already more secular, if you measure religiousness by birth rate.

duvid lowy's avatar

As a matter of ideology, Hareidi political parties are'nt theocratic.

The fundamental idea behind Hareiism is theological opposition to the jewish state.

They might have some ideas fitting in the venn diagram with theocrats but they refuse to rule.

DeepLeftAnalysis🔸's avatar

The distinction is in the process of collapsing. As Charedi take more power, they will come to identify with the state; additionally, as Charedi undergo "shedding" (secularization at the margins), they will produce more Religious Zionists. I write in the present-future tense.

Happy's avatar

A secular, liberal Jewish state has always been an oxymoron. Secular liberal Jews become that way by assimilating with the goyim as much as they can. An ethnostate that requires ethnically cleansing the original population and permanent war with all its neighbors...is not this.

Beepy's avatar

i think that second-to-last sentence (“It future of the Middle East . . .”) got a little mangled