Well, blaming Israel/Jews for US foreign policy being too isolationist is an interesting change from blaming Israel/Jews for US foreign policy being too interventionist!
Why isn't Netanyahu encouraging the US to cozy up to China and give up on Taiwan? After all, finite resources, right?
Do you have any source for this: Netanyahu, fearing prosecution for corruption by the Israeli justice system, has engineered a global campaign to dump Ukraine so that the war in Iran can forestall the end of his political career.
David Sacks, Elon Musk, JD Vance -- everyone who is a declared ally of Netanyahu spouts the same exact line: we need to dump Ukraine and support Israel. Are you disputing this?
He’s disputing that Netanyahu somehow engineered this. David Sacks by the way has been critical of Israeli actions. He says Israel has a right to respond but came out against a ground invasion.
"Engineer" is a strong word. I'm making a few claims:
1. Netanyahu fears prosecution.
2. Although Hamas has been neutralized as an offensive force, expansion and escalation of the war will forestall prosecution.
3. Netanyahu is networked closely with American political and business leaders, and he coordinates with them. According to Thomas Massie, everyone has an AIPAC guy.
4. AIPAC is a Netanyahu ally.
5. If all of Netanyahu's allies have one position (dump Ukraine to aid Israel) it is reasonable to assume that this position originates from Netanyahu.
Netanyahu is not a dictator, and there are different factions within Israel. Perhaps Netanyahu even doubts himself and is uncertain about the future, and prefers to keep his options open with regard to Iran. However, with regard to Ukraine, his position (through his proxies) is clear. Obviously if he came out and said as much, it would only hurt and not help his cause, so he speaks through proxies just as easily and much more effectively. The refusal to allow for this possibility is and to see it as the simplest explanation, to imply that this is a "Jewish conspiracy" equivalent with "Jews did 9/11" is hyperbolic projection.
Its all really weak correlations sorry. The rest of the article seemed pretty cogent. Not sure why it needed this weird Israel conspiracy theory. Do you really think Bibi, or anyone in Israel has the bandwidth to play this kind of 4d chess right now? Back to your examples: David Sachs is basically in love with this Mearsheimer guy who absolutely detests Israel. I never heard David say a single positive thing about Israel, i heard plenty of negative though. Elon and JD seem to be coming from different places on Ukraine. Elon reads history extensively and appears influenced by fear of a WW2 type of scenario. Not sure where JD is coming from to be honest. I can agree that at face value his America First attitude looks inconsistent with Israel vis a vis Ukraine. On the other hand JD isnt exactly advocating for a Hot war with Iran. The most obvious explanation is simply the right is against supporting Ukraine because the left is for it. and Pro Israel since the left is anti. Occam's razor
I should also add that all of these supposed Netanyahu fans are much much more reluctant than Netanyahu himself to get in a shooting war with Iran. Vance explicitly said as much and said Us and Israel are friends but interests don’t always perfectly align and we don’t want a shooting war with Iran. David Sacks is even more extreme. Musk tweeted a meme about Iran being near US military bases.
Netanyahu doesn’t dictate American foreign policy. There’s just no evidence of that. If he did you’d see Haley and Pompeo in charge.
2 Not really, the trial is already going slowly and will take years whether or not he wins. Netanyahu is far from the only guy who runs the war. Not sure if you’re familiar with internal Israeli policies.
3. Obviously Netanyahu has friends in the US. Israel does in general.
4. AIPAC supports Israel broadly, not Netanyahu in particular.
5. They don’t though. Nikki Haley is not a Netanyahu ally? Bolton? Pompeo? Plenty of neocons are hardcore on both. And no I don’t think it’s reasonable to believe that just because many pro Israel Americans are more dovish on Ukraine that they feel this way because Netanyahu came up with that and told them to. The whole polarization on Russia in American politics where the right is less hawkish is not because of Netanyahu.
I’ll make an empirical prediction. Once Netanyahu is gone, Republicans will still be more dovish on Ukraine. For instance Nir Barkat who is a likely next leader of Likud is very pro Ukraine. I don’t know how much you know about internal Israeli politics.
"Netanyahu, fearing prosecution for corruption by the Israeli justice system, has engineered a global campaign to dump Ukraine so that the war in Iran can forestall the end of his political career."
Good internal Dissident Right trolling, but you just made this up. Europeans are broke and tired, and Ukraine is not a European country. That's really the long and short of it.
OK, European leaders are aware that they are broke, and do not give a shit about Ukrainians who are not Europeans. And your assertion is unsubstantiated.
I did the research you couldn't be bothered to do and put 'David Sacks Israel' into Google, and I found that he agrees with you on the Israel-Hamas conflict. Presumably, you just assumed otherwise because he is Jewish, but that's why we have Google! So, even when deliberately obfuscating, you still somehow fail to find three names that are part of your entire hallucinatory claim of a conspiracy organized by Netanyahu.
Sacks favours ending the Gaza war, like you, and containing it, like you. Which is fine, since I would probably take the same position in his or your shoes, but simply doesn't comport with your outlandish claims.
The correct interpretation of the data is as follows. The Israel lobby works by riding ideological tides in American politics. When the Cold War was big, it positioned Israel as a bastion of anti-communism. After 9/11 it was a bridgehead against radical Islam. Now isolationism is in, so the Israel lobby has to find a way to thread the needle. Probably there have been backroom deals along the lines of 'you [Israel lobby] agree not to turn your fire against us, and we'll focus on Ukraine instead of you'. This is both plausible and fits the data. Your assertion is mad and doesn't fit the data at all.
Like Ramaswamy, David Sacks is a pro-Israel dovish isolationist. Certainly he is a guy in tech who likes Israel and doesn't have any affinity for the Palestinians. But he is hardly a Netanyahu sycophant. He was skeptical of the invasion. I think Musk and Vance are closer to the standard pro-Israel view, but also somewhat sympathetic to this line of thinking.
I don't know what DLA thinks about the conflict but I doubt this is actually DLA's stance. So I wouldn't say that Sacks agrees with DLA.
Interesting but you overestimate the imperial ambition of Russia and its capabilities. No way they want to « conquer Europe », even with the help of China.
Also, you can’t compare the population of Vietnam and Ukraine. Vietnam was a young, high fertility and vitality country. Ukraine is dying even without any Russian help in this regard. Therefore, every young Ukrainian man dying is way more catastrophic than a young man in 1970 Vietnam dying.
Poland too is beginning to fill with migrants. They had an advantage for a while being a poorer European state and their brand of nationalism being Anti-Russian, but like Japan, their time has come.
Rurik Skywalker (Rolo) has done a good series of articles regarding Russia and its coordination with NATO and the West. The army has been broken since the assassinations in the 90s and filling of the higher ranks with FSB officials. You're correct about the humbling, though. The "Russian" Oligarchs wanted protected assets and a greater share of global power which they were denied, and so they tried to play hardball without actually crossing the important lines (such as actually reindustrializing or embracing Fascism).
The question of vassalhood to China is questionable, just because it's a question how much China is actually a genuinely competing Empire vs. a separate head of the global liberal state. China being able to freely negotiate with Ukraine rather than threatening Russia to be more successful with expanding the empire seems to show they don't really care.
I'm not a Sinaboo. Personally, I'd like a restored Japanese Empire.
There is the interesting idea that America *is* being set up to fail by the Global Government. It's possible the plan is to largely cripple it, create a war with China, see America brought to ruin and then occupied by Sino/U.N. Technocrats. I am not very sure of this, though. It depends on if the Multi-Polar scheme requires America to be broken and humbled to become a local vassal governor or if America is to be the enforcer of said system.
You should try inviting Jeffrey Sachs into your pod since his views are diametrically different on these issues, and he is probably the best one to argue the 'Vance wing Republican Party view'
“Putin supporters claim that NATO “forced” Russia into the arms of China. This is not true. It was the Russian army that forced Putin into this position, not NATO.”
Available evidence seems to suggest the US would behave in the same way.
Bonkers BS, not to be taken seriously.
great argument
How is Bibi to blame for Ukraine. It sounds like an anti-semitic conspiracy lunacy, on the level of "the Jews did 9/11.."
Well, blaming Israel/Jews for US foreign policy being too isolationist is an interesting change from blaming Israel/Jews for US foreign policy being too interventionist!
Why isn't Netanyahu encouraging the US to cozy up to China and give up on Taiwan? After all, finite resources, right?
Because Iran needs to be isolated from Russia.
"How is *this thing you never said* true? You are evil"
Do you have any source for this: Netanyahu, fearing prosecution for corruption by the Israeli justice system, has engineered a global campaign to dump Ukraine so that the war in Iran can forestall the end of his political career.
David Sacks, Elon Musk, JD Vance -- everyone who is a declared ally of Netanyahu spouts the same exact line: we need to dump Ukraine and support Israel. Are you disputing this?
He’s disputing that Netanyahu somehow engineered this. David Sacks by the way has been critical of Israeli actions. He says Israel has a right to respond but came out against a ground invasion.
"Engineer" is a strong word. I'm making a few claims:
1. Netanyahu fears prosecution.
2. Although Hamas has been neutralized as an offensive force, expansion and escalation of the war will forestall prosecution.
3. Netanyahu is networked closely with American political and business leaders, and he coordinates with them. According to Thomas Massie, everyone has an AIPAC guy.
4. AIPAC is a Netanyahu ally.
5. If all of Netanyahu's allies have one position (dump Ukraine to aid Israel) it is reasonable to assume that this position originates from Netanyahu.
Netanyahu is not a dictator, and there are different factions within Israel. Perhaps Netanyahu even doubts himself and is uncertain about the future, and prefers to keep his options open with regard to Iran. However, with regard to Ukraine, his position (through his proxies) is clear. Obviously if he came out and said as much, it would only hurt and not help his cause, so he speaks through proxies just as easily and much more effectively. The refusal to allow for this possibility is and to see it as the simplest explanation, to imply that this is a "Jewish conspiracy" equivalent with "Jews did 9/11" is hyperbolic projection.
Its all really weak correlations sorry. The rest of the article seemed pretty cogent. Not sure why it needed this weird Israel conspiracy theory. Do you really think Bibi, or anyone in Israel has the bandwidth to play this kind of 4d chess right now? Back to your examples: David Sachs is basically in love with this Mearsheimer guy who absolutely detests Israel. I never heard David say a single positive thing about Israel, i heard plenty of negative though. Elon and JD seem to be coming from different places on Ukraine. Elon reads history extensively and appears influenced by fear of a WW2 type of scenario. Not sure where JD is coming from to be honest. I can agree that at face value his America First attitude looks inconsistent with Israel vis a vis Ukraine. On the other hand JD isnt exactly advocating for a Hot war with Iran. The most obvious explanation is simply the right is against supporting Ukraine because the left is for it. and Pro Israel since the left is anti. Occam's razor
I should also add that all of these supposed Netanyahu fans are much much more reluctant than Netanyahu himself to get in a shooting war with Iran. Vance explicitly said as much and said Us and Israel are friends but interests don’t always perfectly align and we don’t want a shooting war with Iran. David Sacks is even more extreme. Musk tweeted a meme about Iran being near US military bases.
Netanyahu doesn’t dictate American foreign policy. There’s just no evidence of that. If he did you’d see Haley and Pompeo in charge.
1 True.
2 Not really, the trial is already going slowly and will take years whether or not he wins. Netanyahu is far from the only guy who runs the war. Not sure if you’re familiar with internal Israeli policies.
3. Obviously Netanyahu has friends in the US. Israel does in general.
4. AIPAC supports Israel broadly, not Netanyahu in particular.
5. They don’t though. Nikki Haley is not a Netanyahu ally? Bolton? Pompeo? Plenty of neocons are hardcore on both. And no I don’t think it’s reasonable to believe that just because many pro Israel Americans are more dovish on Ukraine that they feel this way because Netanyahu came up with that and told them to. The whole polarization on Russia in American politics where the right is less hawkish is not because of Netanyahu.
I’ll make an empirical prediction. Once Netanyahu is gone, Republicans will still be more dovish on Ukraine. For instance Nir Barkat who is a likely next leader of Likud is very pro Ukraine. I don’t know how much you know about internal Israeli politics.
"Netanyahu, fearing prosecution for corruption by the Israeli justice system, has engineered a global campaign to dump Ukraine so that the war in Iran can forestall the end of his political career."
Good internal Dissident Right trolling, but you just made this up. Europeans are broke and tired, and Ukraine is not a European country. That's really the long and short of it.
As I say in the article, there's a difference between policy makers and "the people"
OK, European leaders are aware that they are broke, and do not give a shit about Ukrainians who are not Europeans. And your assertion is unsubstantiated.
I am not making up the statements of Musk, Vance, or Sacks.
I did the research you couldn't be bothered to do and put 'David Sacks Israel' into Google, and I found that he agrees with you on the Israel-Hamas conflict. Presumably, you just assumed otherwise because he is Jewish, but that's why we have Google! So, even when deliberately obfuscating, you still somehow fail to find three names that are part of your entire hallucinatory claim of a conspiracy organized by Netanyahu.
"Netanyahu" is not a code word for Israel. Here's Sacks with Elon and Ramaswamy laying out their position:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2JR2vBYZHc
Sacks favours ending the Gaza war, like you, and containing it, like you. Which is fine, since I would probably take the same position in his or your shoes, but simply doesn't comport with your outlandish claims.
The correct interpretation of the data is as follows. The Israel lobby works by riding ideological tides in American politics. When the Cold War was big, it positioned Israel as a bastion of anti-communism. After 9/11 it was a bridgehead against radical Islam. Now isolationism is in, so the Israel lobby has to find a way to thread the needle. Probably there have been backroom deals along the lines of 'you [Israel lobby] agree not to turn your fire against us, and we'll focus on Ukraine instead of you'. This is both plausible and fits the data. Your assertion is mad and doesn't fit the data at all.
Like Ramaswamy, David Sacks is a pro-Israel dovish isolationist. Certainly he is a guy in tech who likes Israel and doesn't have any affinity for the Palestinians. But he is hardly a Netanyahu sycophant. He was skeptical of the invasion. I think Musk and Vance are closer to the standard pro-Israel view, but also somewhat sympathetic to this line of thinking.
I don't know what DLA thinks about the conflict but I doubt this is actually DLA's stance. So I wouldn't say that Sacks agrees with DLA.
Interesting but you overestimate the imperial ambition of Russia and its capabilities. No way they want to « conquer Europe », even with the help of China.
Also, you can’t compare the population of Vietnam and Ukraine. Vietnam was a young, high fertility and vitality country. Ukraine is dying even without any Russian help in this regard. Therefore, every young Ukrainian man dying is way more catastrophic than a young man in 1970 Vietnam dying.
Apparently you aren't familiar with the Napoleonic Wars, WWI, WWII, or the Cold War.
Poland too is beginning to fill with migrants. They had an advantage for a while being a poorer European state and their brand of nationalism being Anti-Russian, but like Japan, their time has come.
Rurik Skywalker (Rolo) has done a good series of articles regarding Russia and its coordination with NATO and the West. The army has been broken since the assassinations in the 90s and filling of the higher ranks with FSB officials. You're correct about the humbling, though. The "Russian" Oligarchs wanted protected assets and a greater share of global power which they were denied, and so they tried to play hardball without actually crossing the important lines (such as actually reindustrializing or embracing Fascism).
The question of vassalhood to China is questionable, just because it's a question how much China is actually a genuinely competing Empire vs. a separate head of the global liberal state. China being able to freely negotiate with Ukraine rather than threatening Russia to be more successful with expanding the empire seems to show they don't really care.
I'm not a Sinaboo. Personally, I'd like a restored Japanese Empire.
There is the interesting idea that America *is* being set up to fail by the Global Government. It's possible the plan is to largely cripple it, create a war with China, see America brought to ruin and then occupied by Sino/U.N. Technocrats. I am not very sure of this, though. It depends on if the Multi-Polar scheme requires America to be broken and humbled to become a local vassal governor or if America is to be the enforcer of said system.
You should try inviting Jeffrey Sachs into your pod since his views are diametrically different on these issues, and he is probably the best one to argue the 'Vance wing Republican Party view'
i'll invite trump too
What does that even mean
Can you ask Jeffrey Sacks to come on my pod?
You got Kaufman
Now you need to get me Jeffrey Sacks, do it now.
“Putin supporters claim that NATO “forced” Russia into the arms of China. This is not true. It was the Russian army that forced Putin into this position, not NATO.”
Available evidence seems to suggest the US would behave in the same way.
And Russia joining EU was screwed in the 90’s.
What do you mean no? I haven’t disagreed with you.
Turkey was an exception due to missile placement. There's nothing disingenuous about what I'm saying -- Russia jails ethnic nationalists.
No, I wasn't implying that Poland is protected from migration by liberalism, I was saying that Russian conservatism is not protective.