Jewish intermarriage was so low in the past not because it didn’t happen, but because virtually all Jews who intermarried converted to Christianity or secularized. It was actually fairly common in Germany at the time so much so that Jews seemed to be on a rather serious demographic decline. There were not much Orthodox Jews in Germany, most were assimilated. Same story with Lenin’s grandpa; Lenin probably didn’t even know he had Jewish ancestry. Lenin was also sort of a mystery meat creature in general. He was an eighth mongolian and also had Volga-Uralic, Swedish, and German ancestry.
The 2009 study you cite is kind of outdated. Mischlinge already are bound to cluster with Europeans on a broader scale because Ashkenazic Jews are only a bit more “southerly” than Southern Italians. What is being measured here is a particular Ashkenazi Jewish drift component, which was formed due to the medieval bottleneck European Jews went through. And today we could definitely separate out someone with an eighth or quarter Jewish ancestry from non-admixed white gentiles.
I would say, it is about as valid to say “Nazis were Christian” as it is to say “Nazis were tolerant of half Jews”. Both are wrong, but both have some basis in reality. Hitler’s issue with half-Jews wasn’t that they immanently displayed unaryan characteristics en masse, but that their blending into German society will cause the reemergence of certain undesirable recessive Jewish genes generations down the line. Which is why the participation of 1st degree Mischlings was restricted to “honorary Aryans”, who were often made so postmortem interestingly enough. They also obviously had loyalty to their fully Jewish family members, making them a fifth column even if they identified as Protestant Germans.
You are incorrect that these groups will halt “Haiti 2.0” from happening. They’re extremely small minorities. People on the “fringes” of Whiteness tend to recognize the contradictions of White political behavior more than people in the core of Whiteness. But for the most part, Mischlings are more Jewish and more atheist than ever, as well as more non-white than ever, while only a tiny minority of brown people will actually gain a true love for white civilization (something most of Fuentes’s brown allies do not even have)
My theory: Firstly, Nick just allies with whoever glazes him. That’s why he’s allied with plenty of people of Jewish ancestry like Loomer and Milo. And he hates whoever has ties with people he doesn’t like. This is the primary reason he’s kvetching about Vance, because Vance follows BAP. This is why he targeted Sailer, because Sailer was on BAP’s podcast. Albeit, he was kind of right to target Sailer, who seems to have sold himself out…
As far as the “Mischling right”, it likely has to do with Jews just being a genetically politically enthusiastic and skilled people, and some of those people instead of adopting left wing fringe, adopt right wing fringe. This is not that historically unseen, if you look long enough you’ll find them in history. Their politics on Israel are likely an attempt to reconcile their Jewishness with their antisemitism. You can see it too with emphasis on certain thinkers. The reason BAP likes Gobineau so much, probably partially because Gobineau is in fact worth looking into, but it’s also probably because Gobineau has a more favorable opinion on Jews, racially speaking.
This is a fair critique of some of my points, especially regarding assimilation vs conversion. Not sure how to quantify pre-19th century Jewish-gentile mixing / conversions. Maybe there are records of adult baptisms of people with Jewish names that could be indexed to approximate the rate of conversion. Would love if someone has already done that work for me but I'm probably not going to go through the archives myself.
We're really getting into the weeds here, but my only point about the Nazis was to directly reference German law, which granted legal equality to "individuals with one Jewish grandparent." Not sure if you misread me as talking about half Jews, which belonged to a different category.
Yeah, I think there are books which talk about the high Jewish intermarriage and emigration rate of interwar Germany but I don’t have them on hand. Don’t think this is all directly an attempt to rebut things you said in your article, overall I agree with it. I just thought I’d add some of my own thoughts to the situation
I don't think BAP's like of Gobineau is because of Gobineau's opinion on Jews. Afterall, BAP also talks a lot about Schopenhauer, who was rather famously anti-Semitic.
You are 100% right about Fuentes though. Fuentes just seems sociopathic to me.
You’re missing an “I” after Henry VII…also, as a good Catholic, he was trying to get an annulment of his marriage, not a divorce, since there was (before he made it so with the Act of Supremacy) no other law (civil or otherwise)to fall back on. He actually consulted with Luther (whom he hated) who told him to engage in polygamy since divorce was not in the Bible.
Lot of cope. America has the demographics of Brazil by 2030. Entire multi national supply chains from entertainment syndicates to basic consumer goods have pivoted to dump product into this new ethnogensis of Indians, Arabs, Hisapnics ect. Thedor Herzel was tired of jews being effeminate. He respected the Prussian model. He wanted Jews to leave the matriarchal long house of textual pilpul. The Bapsexual identity complex is the classic case of the Jewish boy raised on Anne Frank and Rosa Parks and to have hyperbole fears of 'fearing da wyte man'. The Anne Frank long house is a toxic weight for young men to grow up under. From the civil rights movement to the Jewish Black alliance. The Jewish American lifestyle is effeminate, and emotional. The Isreali jew is of a different tapestry due to the Back To The Land Movement. They went through a European mimicry of Apotheosis to achieve state hood. Idealism in cultivating the land, martial/ military life, civil engineering ect. American jews vote about 85-92% left wing on a 150 year moving average. Kevin MacDonald documented their role in the civl rights movement, and Hart Cellar. Your article is like most American thinking. It presents the simulacrum 'kraft single' and can not smell the real cheese.
Thedor Herzel wanted Jewish men to act more Prussian
Otto Weininger described jews as being effeminate and emotional
Freud described Jews as "being denied their bodies, unlike the Greeks"
Yuri of the 'Jewish Century' described them as Murcarian, and not Apollonian
The result is that many Jewish boys crave to leave the Anne Frank long house. Does the rest of the 'right wing' need deal with their struggle? Their lack and inability to 'skin and buck and run a trot line'. Should they all join the IDF to learn to be a man? These are big questions
Its better to see NRx and Bapsexulism as a digital bootcamp to train the new ethnogensis to
well act more Anglo as well as a place for Jewish boys raised under that pantheon of learned helplessness to heal. To become Greek. To have European apotheosis of mind and body.
Is politics biological. Well yea. If you had a map of only Jewish American men voting. It would be all blue. The same politics as African American Single moms. You can now apply this to every ingroup besides white men. The Trump Regime does not exist with out the White male. The digital bootcamps and Grift like podcast, and take selling will continue to train the new ethnogensis into a costum of anglo saxon like values in an attempt to protect what the Russian, The Chinese man, The Arab, The French man all need. Anglo Saxon property right duration and guarantees. But this is hard to gurantee as the demographic tapestry changes.
Do Latino republicans even be that different from Jewish republicans? From what I can tell it's just a way to assimilate into "Middle America" and escape the inner city trap.
Some claim the actual German nazi leadership included many mischlings in their ranks. Hard to interpret if true, but I would think it might explain the BAPs of the world somewhat
So I’m 100% Jewish and some people on the outside think I’m in the BAP sphere but I’m not. I wouldn’t doubt if many people within it were fully Jewish, though. Even Nick understands this.
The reason there are so few white people in the dissident right is because most whites are either naive liberals or chuds who don’t spend much time online.
I think you're right. Those of the, for lack of a better term, alt-right persuasion simply can't help deviating in at least one other way than just being plainly white nationalist. It has to be also, if on 4chan, the obsession with anime and other related forms of degeneracy, or Nietzchean Jewish shit, or else in Fuentes' case a strange admiration of urban black gangster culture.
I think I differ in the reasoning from you for why this is the case. I'm not sure if the reason for the lack of success of pure white identity is because of attachment to American identity. There's not much of that to be truthful beyond a rapidly evaporating veneer. The real reason for the prominence of the Mischlings is that Jews are not Christian and are more highly educated, especially secular Jews. These are two reasons for them to be likely to succeed on the alt-right. They have little attachment to the ideologies white middle class Christians are typically attached to and much greater ability to exert influence on the public discourse.
As for the Mongrels, the ideology is very low-class coded, hence the gangster aesthetic. For that reason, low-class coded individuals are at its head. It's whites mimicking black culture to some extent, hence the Nick and Kanye alliance, or in Tate's case it's white's mimicking low-class polygamous behavior.
Pure identitarians exist but they're not nearly as flashy. They look too stuffy and neatly authoritarian, so they don't get as many followers. There's also still the lingering taboo against Nazism to blame for the prominence of both factions, I'm sure. Kanye can only sing about Hitler because he's black. The contradiction is part of what makes it work and part of what makes it edgy, similarly to a Jewish Nazi.
"To reject multi-racialism is to reject America itself. Accordingly, the purest white nationalists are anti-American. Atomwaffen, Asatru, and the Northwest Front all represent the secessionist or terrorist tendency of movements which put race before nation. This is not popular, and doesn’t have the cultural, religious, or financial capital to ever become viable in itself."
Jewish intermarriage was so low in the past not because it didn’t happen, but because virtually all Jews who intermarried converted to Christianity or secularized. It was actually fairly common in Germany at the time so much so that Jews seemed to be on a rather serious demographic decline. There were not much Orthodox Jews in Germany, most were assimilated. Same story with Lenin’s grandpa; Lenin probably didn’t even know he had Jewish ancestry. Lenin was also sort of a mystery meat creature in general. He was an eighth mongolian and also had Volga-Uralic, Swedish, and German ancestry.
The 2009 study you cite is kind of outdated. Mischlinge already are bound to cluster with Europeans on a broader scale because Ashkenazic Jews are only a bit more “southerly” than Southern Italians. What is being measured here is a particular Ashkenazi Jewish drift component, which was formed due to the medieval bottleneck European Jews went through. And today we could definitely separate out someone with an eighth or quarter Jewish ancestry from non-admixed white gentiles.
I would say, it is about as valid to say “Nazis were Christian” as it is to say “Nazis were tolerant of half Jews”. Both are wrong, but both have some basis in reality. Hitler’s issue with half-Jews wasn’t that they immanently displayed unaryan characteristics en masse, but that their blending into German society will cause the reemergence of certain undesirable recessive Jewish genes generations down the line. Which is why the participation of 1st degree Mischlings was restricted to “honorary Aryans”, who were often made so postmortem interestingly enough. They also obviously had loyalty to their fully Jewish family members, making them a fifth column even if they identified as Protestant Germans.
You are incorrect that these groups will halt “Haiti 2.0” from happening. They’re extremely small minorities. People on the “fringes” of Whiteness tend to recognize the contradictions of White political behavior more than people in the core of Whiteness. But for the most part, Mischlings are more Jewish and more atheist than ever, as well as more non-white than ever, while only a tiny minority of brown people will actually gain a true love for white civilization (something most of Fuentes’s brown allies do not even have)
My theory: Firstly, Nick just allies with whoever glazes him. That’s why he’s allied with plenty of people of Jewish ancestry like Loomer and Milo. And he hates whoever has ties with people he doesn’t like. This is the primary reason he’s kvetching about Vance, because Vance follows BAP. This is why he targeted Sailer, because Sailer was on BAP’s podcast. Albeit, he was kind of right to target Sailer, who seems to have sold himself out…
As far as the “Mischling right”, it likely has to do with Jews just being a genetically politically enthusiastic and skilled people, and some of those people instead of adopting left wing fringe, adopt right wing fringe. This is not that historically unseen, if you look long enough you’ll find them in history. Their politics on Israel are likely an attempt to reconcile their Jewishness with their antisemitism. You can see it too with emphasis on certain thinkers. The reason BAP likes Gobineau so much, probably partially because Gobineau is in fact worth looking into, but it’s also probably because Gobineau has a more favorable opinion on Jews, racially speaking.
This is a fair critique of some of my points, especially regarding assimilation vs conversion. Not sure how to quantify pre-19th century Jewish-gentile mixing / conversions. Maybe there are records of adult baptisms of people with Jewish names that could be indexed to approximate the rate of conversion. Would love if someone has already done that work for me but I'm probably not going to go through the archives myself.
I don't think Haiti 2.0 would happen anyway (I have another article on that: https://deepleft.substack.com/p/haiti-vs-hawaii-beyond-genocide).
We're really getting into the weeds here, but my only point about the Nazis was to directly reference German law, which granted legal equality to "individuals with one Jewish grandparent." Not sure if you misread me as talking about half Jews, which belonged to a different category.
Yeah, I think there are books which talk about the high Jewish intermarriage and emigration rate of interwar Germany but I don’t have them on hand. Don’t think this is all directly an attempt to rebut things you said in your article, overall I agree with it. I just thought I’d add some of my own thoughts to the situation
I don't think BAP's like of Gobineau is because of Gobineau's opinion on Jews. Afterall, BAP also talks a lot about Schopenhauer, who was rather famously anti-Semitic.
You are 100% right about Fuentes though. Fuentes just seems sociopathic to me.
You’re missing an “I” after Henry VII…also, as a good Catholic, he was trying to get an annulment of his marriage, not a divorce, since there was (before he made it so with the Act of Supremacy) no other law (civil or otherwise)to fall back on. He actually consulted with Luther (whom he hated) who told him to engage in polygamy since divorce was not in the Bible.
Lot of cope. America has the demographics of Brazil by 2030. Entire multi national supply chains from entertainment syndicates to basic consumer goods have pivoted to dump product into this new ethnogensis of Indians, Arabs, Hisapnics ect. Thedor Herzel was tired of jews being effeminate. He respected the Prussian model. He wanted Jews to leave the matriarchal long house of textual pilpul. The Bapsexual identity complex is the classic case of the Jewish boy raised on Anne Frank and Rosa Parks and to have hyperbole fears of 'fearing da wyte man'. The Anne Frank long house is a toxic weight for young men to grow up under. From the civil rights movement to the Jewish Black alliance. The Jewish American lifestyle is effeminate, and emotional. The Isreali jew is of a different tapestry due to the Back To The Land Movement. They went through a European mimicry of Apotheosis to achieve state hood. Idealism in cultivating the land, martial/ military life, civil engineering ect. American jews vote about 85-92% left wing on a 150 year moving average. Kevin MacDonald documented their role in the civl rights movement, and Hart Cellar. Your article is like most American thinking. It presents the simulacrum 'kraft single' and can not smell the real cheese.
Thedor Herzel wanted Jewish men to act more Prussian
Otto Weininger described jews as being effeminate and emotional
Freud described Jews as "being denied their bodies, unlike the Greeks"
Yuri of the 'Jewish Century' described them as Murcarian, and not Apollonian
The result is that many Jewish boys crave to leave the Anne Frank long house. Does the rest of the 'right wing' need deal with their struggle? Their lack and inability to 'skin and buck and run a trot line'. Should they all join the IDF to learn to be a man? These are big questions
Its better to see NRx and Bapsexulism as a digital bootcamp to train the new ethnogensis to
well act more Anglo as well as a place for Jewish boys raised under that pantheon of learned helplessness to heal. To become Greek. To have European apotheosis of mind and body.
Is politics biological. Well yea. If you had a map of only Jewish American men voting. It would be all blue. The same politics as African American Single moms. You can now apply this to every ingroup besides white men. The Trump Regime does not exist with out the White male. The digital bootcamps and Grift like podcast, and take selling will continue to train the new ethnogensis into a costum of anglo saxon like values in an attempt to protect what the Russian, The Chinese man, The Arab, The French man all need. Anglo Saxon property right duration and guarantees. But this is hard to gurantee as the demographic tapestry changes.
Do Latino republicans even be that different from Jewish republicans? From what I can tell it's just a way to assimilate into "Middle America" and escape the inner city trap.
Some claim the actual German nazi leadership included many mischlings in their ranks. Hard to interpret if true, but I would think it might explain the BAPs of the world somewhat
Germans had 200k+ Jews who fought for the Reich.
So I’m 100% Jewish and some people on the outside think I’m in the BAP sphere but I’m not. I wouldn’t doubt if many people within it were fully Jewish, though. Even Nick understands this.
The reason there are so few white people in the dissident right is because most whites are either naive liberals or chuds who don’t spend much time online.
Maybe whites are just flat out shit at modern (20th century onwards) race politics. History appears to bear it out.
I think you're right. Those of the, for lack of a better term, alt-right persuasion simply can't help deviating in at least one other way than just being plainly white nationalist. It has to be also, if on 4chan, the obsession with anime and other related forms of degeneracy, or Nietzchean Jewish shit, or else in Fuentes' case a strange admiration of urban black gangster culture.
I think I differ in the reasoning from you for why this is the case. I'm not sure if the reason for the lack of success of pure white identity is because of attachment to American identity. There's not much of that to be truthful beyond a rapidly evaporating veneer. The real reason for the prominence of the Mischlings is that Jews are not Christian and are more highly educated, especially secular Jews. These are two reasons for them to be likely to succeed on the alt-right. They have little attachment to the ideologies white middle class Christians are typically attached to and much greater ability to exert influence on the public discourse.
As for the Mongrels, the ideology is very low-class coded, hence the gangster aesthetic. For that reason, low-class coded individuals are at its head. It's whites mimicking black culture to some extent, hence the Nick and Kanye alliance, or in Tate's case it's white's mimicking low-class polygamous behavior.
Pure identitarians exist but they're not nearly as flashy. They look too stuffy and neatly authoritarian, so they don't get as many followers. There's also still the lingering taboo against Nazism to blame for the prominence of both factions, I'm sure. Kanye can only sing about Hitler because he's black. The contradiction is part of what makes it work and part of what makes it edgy, similarly to a Jewish Nazi.
Very insightful. I’m a mischling of that faction but wish pure white people would do a better job of defending themselves without being chuds.
I’m not especially pro-Israel either.
"To reject multi-racialism is to reject America itself. Accordingly, the purest white nationalists are anti-American. Atomwaffen, Asatru, and the Northwest Front all represent the secessionist or terrorist tendency of movements which put race before nation. This is not popular, and doesn’t have the cultural, religious, or financial capital to ever become viable in itself."
Lmao
Lmao because those groups are goofy, or lmao because you disagree?