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<Here’s a conspiracy about conspiracies: Why would the government want to promote such conspiracy theories? Distraction and demoralization. If the populace is busy hunting pedophiles and aliens, and believes that nothing else matters, then the substantive issues of day-to-day politics recede into the background. All of the populist energy is soaked up like a sponge and wasted on fictional goose chases and witch hunts.>

I have a smart MAGA friend who believes in the Epstein cabal theory (and other Deep State conspiracies), and when I try to pull her away from these conspiracy theories, she jokingly refers to me as her “CIA handler”. In line with what you wrote above, I joked with her that if I were CIA, my psyop would be to dissipate MAGA energy by sending them all down conspiracy rabbit holes. However, her argument is history based, i.e., Deep State ops like MK Ultra, Mockingbird, etc. suggest that “they” are likely still up to no good and that we ought to consider present day conspiracies as prima facie true given this track record. I pointed out the obvious fallacy of arguing that because the Deep State did x, it automatically means it did y, but she doesn’t find this persuasive because the previous “conspiracies” (more like rogue or sanctioned operations in a Cold War atmosphere) are, again, prima facie evidence.

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FWIW, I think a lot of what people find terrible about Epstein wasn't just that he was having sex with teenagers, it's that he was recruiting women into prostitution. I feel like the ethic is that is hiring a prostitute is at worst mildly bad, but pulling a woman into that life is far worse. You can debate whether that is an ethically consistent position but it fits with other views we have (e.g. introducing a kid to smoking or drugs is much worse than smoking/taking drugs) and makes some sense from a consequentialist standpoint.

It's occurred to me that Epstein's friends wouldn't have necessarily known any of this, to outsiders he would appear to be some rich guy who had call girls on retainer. That's some of why I would never hire a prostitute (even back when I was single). Even if the act itself isn't that bad, there's an insanely large amount of dark stuff surrounding that industry that you don't want to contribute to, and you will get zero sympathy if that turns out to be the situation.

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