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Its fascinating listening to an intelligent discussion between someone from the left and someone from the right. Some people would say that such a discussion would be impossible; it isn't.

I think what would be really cool would be if either of these guys would have a discussion with Stephen Martin Fritz, author of a book on the dual nature of morality, Our Human Herds. Both the full-length and abridged versions of his book are available on Amazon, but if you are strapped for cash, you can download the abridged version for free from his ResearchGate account, https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Stephen-Fritz

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Thanks for the recommendation. I attempted to reach out to him on Substack, where I believe his account is @smfritz.

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Steve has a Substack, but I don't think his account is @smfritz. I just emailed him to indicate your interest in a possible interview, and if you want to email him yourself, you can contact him at ourhumanherds@gmail.com

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Weirdly enough, I did message that account, and it identified itself as Steve. So either I'm being trolled or that is his account.

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The Internet is a strange place. When I looked for Steve's Substack account at @smfritz, there was nothing there. Then I reviewed an older conversation I knew that he had with Michael Shermer, and he had listed different Substack account name. However, just now, I checked @smfritz, and, yep, that is Steve. Furthermore, he replied to the email I sent him this morning saying that you had been in touch and that he is interested in doing an interview after he gets back from a vacation. So all seems good, no trolling.

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I'll email him to let him know that you're reaching out to him.

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Congrats, jokl becoming big

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Audio version? Very nice. Thank you DLA

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Great discussion!

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