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Brilliant work, I agree with all of your points. A survey so simple does not measure such.

Here are two issues with "Race Realism doesn't damage social cohesion":

1) "Races differ in intelligence" doesn't mean that much if you do not also know the implications of an entire standard deviation in IQ difference, and do not know the genetic origin of this difference. White people already sort of know intuitively, and have known since elementary school, that Black people are more likely to be unintelligent.

2) If HBD isn't socially corrosive, it's not working. The Futurist Right has a good post on this: https://futuristright.substack.com/p/hbd-demands-racism-towards-blacks

The more you get into HBD, the more you realize how insidious environmentalism is. There are just so many things which make it clear that a "race-blind" society is a cargo cult. Black people benefit from environmentalism for 2 reasons: First, it justifies all of their racial inadequacies by reflecting it onto White people and suggesting it is actually White inadequacy which is responsible for Black suffering. This is why we spend around 600 Billion unrequited tax dollars on Black people every year. Secondly, it discourages "segregation", which ought to simply be called freedom of association. White people already sort of implicitly know that living around Black people sucks, but if this implicitly was made explicit it would rapidly increase and normalize White self-organization. Segregation under HBD acceptance is simply a wise approach based on simple probability and not an exacerbation of historical social injustices. This sucks for Black people because living around Black people is undesirable even if you yourself are Black. I would actually consider this the hardest part of any remigration program. I feel bad for the more intellectual and well-tempered black people, some of whom I would consider among my friends, who would be condemned to the ill collective qualities of their countrymen.

I'm also not really sure what Cremieux's ideology is, which is probably a good thing. He is very data-oriented and doesn't try to promote a particular belief system. He could be a fascist for all I know.

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I think you're obviously right that overturning the myth of racial equality would be disruptive. People who claim that nothing would change are refusing to be honest. The real discussion would be to compare acceptance of HBD with possible alternatives, including an attempt to just maintain the status quo and uphold the myth for as long as possible. That latter approach will surely have costs associated with it as well. I imagine HBD advocates would make a couple of observations:

1. The social fabric is already coming apart and has been for a long time. I imagine some would even try to say this is a direct result of the Civil Rights religion, and I would partially agree with them. If these great wonderful civilizational goods such as trust and institutions and all the rest of it were destroyed by a project dedicated to upholding lies (i.e. the lie that all races are the same), then it seems pretty plausible to suggest that undoing that damage will, at some point, require that the lying stops.

2. What's the serious alternative? Once people become so dissatisfied with the status quo that they are determined to change it, simply telling them "no because if you do things will happen" isn't likely to stay their hand. Things are going to happen if they don't, too. You need to give people who are dissatisfied something else to aim their dissatisfaction at.

For me, I think HBD is true, so I will never lie about it. At the same time, I'm not super interested in talking about it nonstop. I don't think I've written any posts that were primarily about race. But I don't blame people who are obsessed with it, honestly. If you suppress an obvious truth super duper hard, it's understandable that people who uncover that truth will then become equally upset about being lied to. That's one of the costs you pay when your worldview is reliant on lying.

I also think that whether or not "HBD goes mainstream" won't be determined by people having arguments about the downstream social consequences of that possibility. I don't think ideas can be contained by people who are "in the know" making some sort of pact to willfully bite their tongues so that the normies won't find out, not in today's media environment. With the Internet and Elon's Twitter around, some amount of people will always defect from that and just say what is true, downstream consequences be damned. The info is out there now and it's going to do whatever it's going to do.

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