Based article because you link to me. Your 13.7 million figure for the Nakba is meaningless though. It's not an upperbound, it's total number of descendants after 7 decades of high population growth. If you think this way, you would also have to say the true figure for the Holodomor was 20 million because of all the children they would have had. But where would you even draw the line on this? You'd have to count all future descendants forever. Given compound interest, any atrocity no matter how small would be infinitely bad if it was against a group with >2 TFR. The actual upper bound for the Nakba is 900,000 I think.
I think you're underestimating the extraordinary civilizational achievement that is Israel. People have been doomcasting zionism since the get go. It's a totally bonkers idea that after 2000 years, jews could return to Israel and establish functioning, unified sovereignty in a desert wasteland surrounded by enemies. But they did. And they did it without oil, locational rents, mass manufacturing, or a colonial empire reliably at their back--the British were highly ambivalent, Carter was an absolute snake, and the communists hated Israel once it became less communist. And despite all the chaos, Israel is a mostly beautiful, peaceful place, and vastly improved, relative to the squalor cultivated by the previous owners (and the relative squalor if its neighbors). Zionists called themselves Pioneers, and they made an ugly, unproductive thing into the opposite of that, motivated by the optimism and virtue of the vision. It's a triumph of the human spirit. We need more Zionists, not fewer, and we should emphasize their considerable triumphs, and not their missteps--not unlike American settlers or life on the frontier.
And look, if the Muslims didn't already have ethno-states spanning large chunks of two continents, I'd perhaps be a bit more sympathetic to their cause, but they do (achieved as they were by conquest, ethnic cleansing, slaving and pillaging), so clearly "self-determination" has nothing to do with it. It's just good old fashioned ethno-religious supremacism--don't take my word for it, just ask them--mixed with a political and cultural dysfunction so vast and sectarian (even their best and brightest find it so intolerable that they left a long time ago) that the prospect of absorbing a few hundred thousand (then) and/or a few million (now) co-ethnics is considered an impossible burden. It's hard to find any good reason to dignify either of those concerns, putting aside the sheer hypocrisy of the thing. "Hey, you can't displace us--we're the displacers around these parts, and don't you forget it!" I mean, the "Arab Street" is like if the Klan won, except beyond the wildest imaginations of any Klansman--lovely, hospitable people, provided you don't undermine the primacy of Islamic Arab rule, or you know, do anything that might be construed as lowering them in status, relative to any non-Muslim (Arab Male). If anything, losing less than 1% of their ethno-religious imperial sprawl to the uppity, productive jews, is a modicum of just deserts.
That a substantial part of the "liberal" West has ret-conned themselves into sympathizing with the modern apotheosis of illiberalism--sexist, tribal, homophobic, hierarchical, homogenous, and intolerant, feature-complete with all the 'can't play nicely with others' negative externalities that liberals would predict and expect--is one of the strongest blackpills of Western culture one can take.
Well Israel is bombing another neighbor today, so clearly the Israelis are a bunch of schiztofrenics who cannot ever actually be anyone's allies. That whole country should be locked up in a mental institution.
You mean protecting the Druze from genocidal Islamic supremacists, as they promised they would? It's amazing how deeply stupid people are about easily verifiable facts and context. I'd blame the MSM, which obfuscates as a matter of course, but people already don't trust the MSM (except ofc if it's about the joooz). You'd be hard pressed to find any conflict that Israel has been on the wrong side of, relative to its adversaries. It's a low bar, to be fair...just look at its adversaries.
Thank you for disputing the claim that Europe's success can be attributed to Judaism, as if Europeans would be living in mud huts if not for the "great" Torah.
Obviously you are filthy Jew scum if you want to dissolve all borders. I thank Christ that I already know you will burn in hell upon death with all your scum race. Israel will cease to exist soon because of how Trump is covering for Epstein to protect Israel. But all borders will not be obliterated. Jews will be exiled from our borders as happened 110 times before. And after death they will be exiled from God's borders for murdering Christ and for being a pedofile scum race of demons.
I like the idea of vacating the holy land and turning it into an American-administered international zone. The Jews and the Palestinians can be given their own states in America. We already have Utah for the Mormons; this wouldn't be much different. America is the true Holy Land and Americans are truly God's Chosen People, and it is proof of God's omnibenevolence that anyone can become American.
Based article because you link to me. Your 13.7 million figure for the Nakba is meaningless though. It's not an upperbound, it's total number of descendants after 7 decades of high population growth. If you think this way, you would also have to say the true figure for the Holodomor was 20 million because of all the children they would have had. But where would you even draw the line on this? You'd have to count all future descendants forever. Given compound interest, any atrocity no matter how small would be infinitely bad if it was against a group with >2 TFR. The actual upper bound for the Nakba is 900,000 I think.
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I think you're underestimating the extraordinary civilizational achievement that is Israel. People have been doomcasting zionism since the get go. It's a totally bonkers idea that after 2000 years, jews could return to Israel and establish functioning, unified sovereignty in a desert wasteland surrounded by enemies. But they did. And they did it without oil, locational rents, mass manufacturing, or a colonial empire reliably at their back--the British were highly ambivalent, Carter was an absolute snake, and the communists hated Israel once it became less communist. And despite all the chaos, Israel is a mostly beautiful, peaceful place, and vastly improved, relative to the squalor cultivated by the previous owners (and the relative squalor if its neighbors). Zionists called themselves Pioneers, and they made an ugly, unproductive thing into the opposite of that, motivated by the optimism and virtue of the vision. It's a triumph of the human spirit. We need more Zionists, not fewer, and we should emphasize their considerable triumphs, and not their missteps--not unlike American settlers or life on the frontier.
And look, if the Muslims didn't already have ethno-states spanning large chunks of two continents, I'd perhaps be a bit more sympathetic to their cause, but they do (achieved as they were by conquest, ethnic cleansing, slaving and pillaging), so clearly "self-determination" has nothing to do with it. It's just good old fashioned ethno-religious supremacism--don't take my word for it, just ask them--mixed with a political and cultural dysfunction so vast and sectarian (even their best and brightest find it so intolerable that they left a long time ago) that the prospect of absorbing a few hundred thousand (then) and/or a few million (now) co-ethnics is considered an impossible burden. It's hard to find any good reason to dignify either of those concerns, putting aside the sheer hypocrisy of the thing. "Hey, you can't displace us--we're the displacers around these parts, and don't you forget it!" I mean, the "Arab Street" is like if the Klan won, except beyond the wildest imaginations of any Klansman--lovely, hospitable people, provided you don't undermine the primacy of Islamic Arab rule, or you know, do anything that might be construed as lowering them in status, relative to any non-Muslim (Arab Male). If anything, losing less than 1% of their ethno-religious imperial sprawl to the uppity, productive jews, is a modicum of just deserts.
That a substantial part of the "liberal" West has ret-conned themselves into sympathizing with the modern apotheosis of illiberalism--sexist, tribal, homophobic, hierarchical, homogenous, and intolerant, feature-complete with all the 'can't play nicely with others' negative externalities that liberals would predict and expect--is one of the strongest blackpills of Western culture one can take.
Well Israel is bombing another neighbor today, so clearly the Israelis are a bunch of schiztofrenics who cannot ever actually be anyone's allies. That whole country should be locked up in a mental institution.
You mean protecting the Druze from genocidal Islamic supremacists, as they promised they would? It's amazing how deeply stupid people are about easily verifiable facts and context. I'd blame the MSM, which obfuscates as a matter of course, but people already don't trust the MSM (except ofc if it's about the joooz). You'd be hard pressed to find any conflict that Israel has been on the wrong side of, relative to its adversaries. It's a low bar, to be fair...just look at its adversaries.
Thank you for disputing the claim that Europe's success can be attributed to Judaism, as if Europeans would be living in mud huts if not for the "great" Torah.
Obviously you are filthy Jew scum if you want to dissolve all borders. I thank Christ that I already know you will burn in hell upon death with all your scum race. Israel will cease to exist soon because of how Trump is covering for Epstein to protect Israel. But all borders will not be obliterated. Jews will be exiled from our borders as happened 110 times before. And after death they will be exiled from God's borders for murdering Christ and for being a pedofile scum race of demons.
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I like the idea of vacating the holy land and turning it into an American-administered international zone. The Jews and the Palestinians can be given their own states in America. We already have Utah for the Mormons; this wouldn't be much different. America is the true Holy Land and Americans are truly God's Chosen People, and it is proof of God's omnibenevolence that anyone can become American.