we could just re-decentralize, make local governments once again the primary revenue raisers as and fiscal actors as they were until the 1940s, while restoring the localized capital capital structures that kept a large share of local money in local areas on the private sector side as we had until the advent of the so called Neoliberal Era, this system didnt to welfare or transfers, it was based around communities using their own money, if we restored it then people would really have the freedom he eloquently mentions to do things themselves and he would no longer have to worry about placating anyone or giving any one anything
1. Thats not what labor theory of value is, retard.
2. Giving money to poor people is good for the economy precisely because they spend it so fast. The economy isnt a pile of money, its a whirpool of money, and its strength is determined by how fast it spins, not just how much money is in it.
3. I've met more organic farmers than most people and they tend to be the most libtarded, MFA, in-this-house-we-believe mother fuckers you could possibly imagine.
4. Nurses routinely get covered in literal shit and have to lift obese people.
5. The thing that differentiates the working class from the PMC is that their main function doesnt involve decision making. Even engineers are proles because sitting at a computer making CAD drawings of wiring harnesses is not qualitatively different from sitting at a bench in Guangdong sewing buttons onto fast fashion. Test: Go ask an engineer about their worldview and note how myopic it is.
6. The fact that in order to write this article you had to a.) Listen to the Tucker Carleson podcast, b.) Look up Rachel Maddows wife, c.) Look at Haz' twitter acct... is sort of like how NFL players have to endure concussions and TBI for the entertainment of the masses.
Anyone who lives inside the excretion of his own bad decisions, and then gobbles it up for mental food on their nightly news, is a pig, by definition. It means they have no "taste." Spiritually, of course.
I am recognizing that you are creating a masterpiece of art and many people cannot see through the esoteric language to the true meaning. I salute your efforts.
Thanks to your article on the deeply closeted homosexual, I now understand my life in a way that I’ve never understood it before. I do not wish to speak exoterically here, as I see and respect how you present your castle moat.
My reference to pigs has to do with those who debate you as if you lived in the moat, and sought to improve the conditions of the mud (the hiding of power from those unfit to rule).
Is that blond boy in the photo a picture of you in childhood, next to your family's tent and wagon?
Really weird to see you put electricians and cashiers in the same category, and consider electricians different from programmers. To me they're very similar. Except if the electrician screws up, the building can burn down and the programmers have no way to do their job at all. Both are basically engineering type jobs though.
You are definitely a way more deeply and spiritually authentic snob than Hanania, he could only dream of having your level of instinctual revulsion to non-elites.
I agree with you though that trad societies are generally corrupt backwards pits full of nepotism and stupidity. I think what happened is that our society gave a one-time shot to all the smart working class people here who were capable of long term thinking and self control, to allow themselves to rise up, after the big Italian/Polish/Irish immigration wave, via the GI bill and virtually every man mid-century going into the service. That helped scoop up all the working class people with smarts and propel them into higher ed and mobility. That was kind of a one-time thing though, it skimmed the cream, and ever since we've been self-perpetuating further and further away from each other.
"I’m not ignoring the fact that some working class people provide value. However, those who do provide value, like electricians or plumbers, are paid handsomely. They live comfortable lives in nice houses in peaceful neighborhoods. They are treated fairly and respectfully. No one is advocating for the genocide of plumbers and electricians.
“Working class” is a weasel-word that equates well-paid craftsmen with delinquent, tardy, shoddy, mentally ill, low conscientiousness, dishonest, drug-addicted, shifty, perpetually fired, low-skilled workers. They don’t show up on time. They don’t give two weeks’ notice. They just stop showing up."
Yeah Piketty really makes clear how unique the post-war era was for economic mobility. That mobility was also really facilitated by the rollout of SAT-based admissions at elite colleges replacing the notion that you had to be from an aristocratic family and go to an elite New England boarding school to get into an Ivy League college.
Yep my grandparents didn't even graduate from high school and my grandpa was a train mechanic with missing fingers from work accidents. All of his sons ended up with graduate degrees and as scientists. That happened to a lot of families at that time. Does not seem to happen so often anymore, except with immigrants.
I intend to post a larger comment, but I would encourage you to read Renée Gerrard. The scapegoating thing comes from elite overproduction + ideological capture due to drift from principle. Welcome back to Thielism lmao
The reason the plumber or the carpenter or the garbage man deserves more respect than the historian or the techie or the poet is that you will *literally fucking die* without the former.
"The state has no obligation to the individual, or to the “community,” no matter how broken the individual may become."
This feels like a punch to the gut to accept for me. The reason I have even been this involved in researching different political analysis is because I'm basically a product of what you wrote in your Mcgenics essay. I am frustrated at the state for denying me access to therapies that would have fixed my mental illness and they even promote it.
Do you think mentally ill individuals will always be a part of this working class more or less and could never achieve excellence and their reproduction is more or less unimportant? I believe this could be a fair assessment but it does sting when you are in that situation, but the truth is always like that.
Depends on the mental illness. Sometimes Mcgenics produces subgroups with some outlandishly desirable traits that come out in the offspring of the next generation. So Mcgenics fights off the undesirables while also producing an environment for certain offspring of such undesirables to develop in a eugenic manner.
You're dichotomizing the working class, which leads some of your analysis astray. Between the elite skilled craftsman who has his shit together and always shows up on time and leaves his work site clean and the drunk bum who isn't sure which end of the screwdriver to use are a whole lot of people who do a tolerably decent job, who show up on time most days but sometimes are a little hung over, keep their emotions in check most of the time but once in a while blow up at the boss. Or maybe they just need to work for someone else - they can do a good job but aren't going to sell their services to clients or direct other people. These guys (and gals) do reasonably well, though they're not the ones who will have a boat and a second house on the lake.
The problem is that there are a huge number of people around the world who fit this description, and if the US lets in tens of millions of people like that, it significantly depresses their wages. This benefits a lot of people by making the things they produce cheaper, but it also reduces the margin for people who are a few turns of bad luck (or bad decisions) from becoming public charges.
I’m not ignoring the fact that some working class people provide value. However, those who do provide value, like electricians or plumbers, are paid handsomely. They live comfortable lives in nice houses in peaceful neighborhoods. They are treated fairly and respectfully. No one is advocating for the genocide of plumbers and electricians.
“Working class” is a weasel-word that equates well-paid craftsmen with delinquent, tardy, shoddy, mentally ill, low conscientiousness, dishonest, drug-addicted, shifty, perpetually fired, low-skilled workers. They don’t show up on time. They don’t give two weeks’ notice. They just stop showing up.
“Feeding into their self-serving / self-destructive narratives about “the man,” globalism, capitalism, the Jews, or whatever the scapegoat of the month is…”
I suppose we could scapegoat the Jews for propagating socialism, welfarism, prole worship, POC worship, negrophilia, immigrant worship (the vast majority of whom will eventually be lumpen proles), etc.
<“Working class” is a weasel-word that equates well-paid craftsmen with delinquent, tardy, shoddy, mentally ill, low conscientiousness, dishonest, drug-addicted, shifty, perpetually fired, low-skilled workers. They don’t show up on time. They don’t give two weeks’ notice. They just stop showing up.>
I very much agree that too many MAGA types excuse the bad behavior of whites, e.g., allegedly becoming an opioid addict cuz NAFTA, etc. In this instance they are like liberals who explain black failure due to institutionalized racism (which, apparently, makes blacks chronically late for work). But just like liberals who don’t make these pathetic excuses, I assume there are conservatives who view the working class as craftsmen or hardworking proles, not the shiftless losers at the very bottom.
“The idea is that sexuality is regulated by labor, and by restoring the proper relationship with labor, especially physical labor, human sexuality will heal to a natural state.”
Do they actually believe this? I just assumed that trads want to restore conservative cultural hegemony, which will make most of it go away. As Bryan Caplan showed in a graph once, gender bending seems to be a social contagion.
“If that were true, then it is quite odd that a majority of American Jews will end up marrying or dating white people.”
Speaking as a half-Jewish person, I can tell you from personal experience that Jews, although they do like and marry progressive whites, often intensely loathe Republicans/conservatives for daring to resist the woke juggernaut because they are viewed as incipient fascists (high on the “f-scale”). One Jewish relative said to me in a fit of anger that blacks should be moved into white suburban neighborhoods (GOP strongholds at the time) to teach them a lesson—as if blacks are simply their pawns (they are). Bussing sound familiar? What’s this guy up to? https://open.substack.com/pub/tracingwoodgrains/p/book-review-the-color-of-law?r=b5zww&utm_medium=ios
Your deep leftism sounds like an unholy mix of social democracy and libertarianism. I like it!
we could just re-decentralize, make local governments once again the primary revenue raisers as and fiscal actors as they were until the 1940s, while restoring the localized capital capital structures that kept a large share of local money in local areas on the private sector side as we had until the advent of the so called Neoliberal Era, this system didnt to welfare or transfers, it was based around communities using their own money, if we restored it then people would really have the freedom he eloquently mentions to do things themselves and he would no longer have to worry about placating anyone or giving any one anything
1. Thats not what labor theory of value is, retard.
2. Giving money to poor people is good for the economy precisely because they spend it so fast. The economy isnt a pile of money, its a whirpool of money, and its strength is determined by how fast it spins, not just how much money is in it.
3. I've met more organic farmers than most people and they tend to be the most libtarded, MFA, in-this-house-we-believe mother fuckers you could possibly imagine.
4. Nurses routinely get covered in literal shit and have to lift obese people.
5. The thing that differentiates the working class from the PMC is that their main function doesnt involve decision making. Even engineers are proles because sitting at a computer making CAD drawings of wiring harnesses is not qualitatively different from sitting at a bench in Guangdong sewing buttons onto fast fashion. Test: Go ask an engineer about their worldview and note how myopic it is.
6. The fact that in order to write this article you had to a.) Listen to the Tucker Carleson podcast, b.) Look up Rachel Maddows wife, c.) Look at Haz' twitter acct... is sort of like how NFL players have to endure concussions and TBI for the entertainment of the masses.
lmfao burn the cash
Pigs cannot appreciate Art.
Art is a flavor.
Anyone who lives inside the excretion of his own bad decisions, and then gobbles it up for mental food on their nightly news, is a pig, by definition. It means they have no "taste." Spiritually, of course.
Whose art? Whose comment?
I am recognizing that you are creating a masterpiece of art and many people cannot see through the esoteric language to the true meaning. I salute your efforts.
Thanks to your article on the deeply closeted homosexual, I now understand my life in a way that I’ve never understood it before. I do not wish to speak exoterically here, as I see and respect how you present your castle moat.
My reference to pigs has to do with those who debate you as if you lived in the moat, and sought to improve the conditions of the mud (the hiding of power from those unfit to rule).
maybe you understand me deeper than I understand myself
Deeply closeted homosexual = DCH
Mustafa Mond runs the society in “Brave New World”
As a contrarian liberal elitist who also runs a plumbing company, I endorse this essay 👍
We've done it! We've found the target market! It's this guy!
Giving Hanania a run for his money
Is that blond boy in the photo a picture of you in childhood, next to your family's tent and wagon?
Really weird to see you put electricians and cashiers in the same category, and consider electricians different from programmers. To me they're very similar. Except if the electrician screws up, the building can burn down and the programmers have no way to do their job at all. Both are basically engineering type jobs though.
You are definitely a way more deeply and spiritually authentic snob than Hanania, he could only dream of having your level of instinctual revulsion to non-elites.
I agree with you though that trad societies are generally corrupt backwards pits full of nepotism and stupidity. I think what happened is that our society gave a one-time shot to all the smart working class people here who were capable of long term thinking and self control, to allow themselves to rise up, after the big Italian/Polish/Irish immigration wave, via the GI bill and virtually every man mid-century going into the service. That helped scoop up all the working class people with smarts and propel them into higher ed and mobility. That was kind of a one-time thing though, it skimmed the cream, and ever since we've been self-perpetuating further and further away from each other.
Almost like you didn't read:
"I’m not ignoring the fact that some working class people provide value. However, those who do provide value, like electricians or plumbers, are paid handsomely. They live comfortable lives in nice houses in peaceful neighborhoods. They are treated fairly and respectfully. No one is advocating for the genocide of plumbers and electricians.
“Working class” is a weasel-word that equates well-paid craftsmen with delinquent, tardy, shoddy, mentally ill, low conscientiousness, dishonest, drug-addicted, shifty, perpetually fired, low-skilled workers. They don’t show up on time. They don’t give two weeks’ notice. They just stop showing up."
Yeah Piketty really makes clear how unique the post-war era was for economic mobility. That mobility was also really facilitated by the rollout of SAT-based admissions at elite colleges replacing the notion that you had to be from an aristocratic family and go to an elite New England boarding school to get into an Ivy League college.
Yep my grandparents didn't even graduate from high school and my grandpa was a train mechanic with missing fingers from work accidents. All of his sons ended up with graduate degrees and as scientists. That happened to a lot of families at that time. Does not seem to happen so often anymore, except with immigrants.
We should fight, like physically
I intend to post a larger comment, but I would encourage you to read Renée Gerrard. The scapegoating thing comes from elite overproduction + ideological capture due to drift from principle. Welcome back to Thielism lmao
Girard bro.
“Marxists believe in the labor theory of value. If you spend a thousand hours digging a hole, and filling it up again, that’s value.”
Is that a joke? Marxists don’t believe that. “Socially necessary labor” is not digging useless holes.
The reason the plumber or the carpenter or the garbage man deserves more respect than the historian or the techie or the poet is that you will *literally fucking die* without the former.
Nah, I do not need furniture or plumbing.
"The state has no obligation to the individual, or to the “community,” no matter how broken the individual may become."
This feels like a punch to the gut to accept for me. The reason I have even been this involved in researching different political analysis is because I'm basically a product of what you wrote in your Mcgenics essay. I am frustrated at the state for denying me access to therapies that would have fixed my mental illness and they even promote it.
Do you think mentally ill individuals will always be a part of this working class more or less and could never achieve excellence and their reproduction is more or less unimportant? I believe this could be a fair assessment but it does sting when you are in that situation, but the truth is always like that.
Depends on the mental illness. Sometimes Mcgenics produces subgroups with some outlandishly desirable traits that come out in the offspring of the next generation. So Mcgenics fights off the undesirables while also producing an environment for certain offspring of such undesirables to develop in a eugenic manner.
You're dichotomizing the working class, which leads some of your analysis astray. Between the elite skilled craftsman who has his shit together and always shows up on time and leaves his work site clean and the drunk bum who isn't sure which end of the screwdriver to use are a whole lot of people who do a tolerably decent job, who show up on time most days but sometimes are a little hung over, keep their emotions in check most of the time but once in a while blow up at the boss. Or maybe they just need to work for someone else - they can do a good job but aren't going to sell their services to clients or direct other people. These guys (and gals) do reasonably well, though they're not the ones who will have a boat and a second house on the lake.
The problem is that there are a huge number of people around the world who fit this description, and if the US lets in tens of millions of people like that, it significantly depresses their wages. This benefits a lot of people by making the things they produce cheaper, but it also reduces the margin for people who are a few turns of bad luck (or bad decisions) from becoming public charges.
Please read:
I’m not ignoring the fact that some working class people provide value. However, those who do provide value, like electricians or plumbers, are paid handsomely. They live comfortable lives in nice houses in peaceful neighborhoods. They are treated fairly and respectfully. No one is advocating for the genocide of plumbers and electricians.
“Working class” is a weasel-word that equates well-paid craftsmen with delinquent, tardy, shoddy, mentally ill, low conscientiousness, dishonest, drug-addicted, shifty, perpetually fired, low-skilled workers. They don’t show up on time. They don’t give two weeks’ notice. They just stop showing up.
“Feeding into their self-serving / self-destructive narratives about “the man,” globalism, capitalism, the Jews, or whatever the scapegoat of the month is…”
I suppose we could scapegoat the Jews for propagating socialism, welfarism, prole worship, POC worship, negrophilia, immigrant worship (the vast majority of whom will eventually be lumpen proles), etc.
<“Working class” is a weasel-word that equates well-paid craftsmen with delinquent, tardy, shoddy, mentally ill, low conscientiousness, dishonest, drug-addicted, shifty, perpetually fired, low-skilled workers. They don’t show up on time. They don’t give two weeks’ notice. They just stop showing up.>
I very much agree that too many MAGA types excuse the bad behavior of whites, e.g., allegedly becoming an opioid addict cuz NAFTA, etc. In this instance they are like liberals who explain black failure due to institutionalized racism (which, apparently, makes blacks chronically late for work). But just like liberals who don’t make these pathetic excuses, I assume there are conservatives who view the working class as craftsmen or hardworking proles, not the shiftless losers at the very bottom.
“The idea is that sexuality is regulated by labor, and by restoring the proper relationship with labor, especially physical labor, human sexuality will heal to a natural state.”
Do they actually believe this? I just assumed that trads want to restore conservative cultural hegemony, which will make most of it go away. As Bryan Caplan showed in a graph once, gender bending seems to be a social contagion.
“If that were true, then it is quite odd that a majority of American Jews will end up marrying or dating white people.”
Speaking as a half-Jewish person, I can tell you from personal experience that Jews, although they do like and marry progressive whites, often intensely loathe Republicans/conservatives for daring to resist the woke juggernaut because they are viewed as incipient fascists (high on the “f-scale”). One Jewish relative said to me in a fit of anger that blacks should be moved into white suburban neighborhoods (GOP strongholds at the time) to teach them a lesson—as if blacks are simply their pawns (they are). Bussing sound familiar? What’s this guy up to? https://open.substack.com/pub/tracingwoodgrains/p/book-review-the-color-of-law?r=b5zww&utm_medium=ios
I think I’m starting to understand where you’re coming from.