I think you're underestimating the tactical reasoning behind some of his inconsistencies. The functional value of keeping the Groyper army mobilized and loyal outweighs the intellectual gymnastics needed to keep the goyim entertained. If you want to capitalize on a political black swan moment, you need a unified group which requires the regular culling of counter signalers. Hope to see you back on Alexandria soon.
"the ambiguity of the statement is purposeful, to achieve a rhetorical effect and energize his audience."
"he sometimes contradicts himself by claiming that the COVID vaccine wasn’t that bad, or multi-racialism can sometimes work. This gives otherwise intelligent people an “out” into supporting him."
"Fuentes is constantly running a marketing campaign, A-B testing his ideology, to adapt to the Dionysian emotional needs of his audience. Fuentes is a surfer riding the meme waves."
"Fuentes is effective at what he does. He is the best of all time, the king of grifters."
Nick has straight up admitted that he’s a flip flopper before and said it was fine because he’s not running for office. And he’s never once said that society has to be homogenous - he wants a white based of around 85 - 90% with room for some minorities.
Deepleft: would you agree that Hispanics and/or Hispanic neighborhoods are louder, dirtier, more crime-ridden, more third world that non-Hispanic neighborhoods? If so, given that Hispanics are the largest immigrant group, are those statements about immigration really so ridiculous?
Who are we to disagree with the lived experience and ways of knowing of this Latinx activist?
Hispanics make up 52% of immigrants. However, the composition of Hispanic immigration is changing over time. The concentration of poor Hispanics creating the conditions you describe does not allow for us to fairly describe immigrants generally as loud, dirty, and criminal.
"In 2018, 33% of U.S. adults ages 25 and older had at least a bachelor’s degree, 7 percentage points higher than recently arrived Latino immigrants. In 1990, by comparison, there was an 11-point gap."
"Recently arrived" is comparing mostly young Hispanics with much older Americans for whom a bachelor's degree was a lot more selective. Even if you take it at face value then at that pace it will take decades for that gap to disappear just in the *recently arrived Latino* group.
Also, I can't help but notice that the big change in the education graph was during Trump's presidency, a time when illegal/uneducated Hispanics were presumably less likely to answer government surveys.
The future may be Asian to the degree that left-wing immigration policy loses out, since they enable illegal/humanitarian/family-based immigration more than skilled immigration. The advent of AI may further devalue high-skill immigration.
Isn’t it true that groyperism (mirroring their leader) only exists because of their personal attraction to Nick? I feel like a lot of them wouldn’t be RW at all if it weren’t for their homosexual attraction to the man, if he were to disappear then they would too (eventually) in the personal changing ideology sense. I think i’ve been reading too much about Napoleon, too much great man theory
I think that people's politics are first and foremost a result of personality traits. E-celebs like Nick are surfing a wave that exists, but he didn't create the wave.
I think he was demococked into woketardism, or anything else really, even his super fans wouldn’t follow him funnily enough. I think they genuinely hold their beliefs, whilst being attracted to Nick. If Nick changed up they would probably just be in disarray without really doing anything as a group, the parasocial fallout could be only analysed individually, i.e the community would just disintegrate rather than “revolt” or “follow him”, Im just spitballing doe
I’ve never been a Groyper but the Dem support didn’t sound too weird, I never really considered him as a part of the actual American right, I am obviously wrong here though. But yeah a portion of fan base would follow him, maybe not as predictably as fan bases where the subject of the fan base is openly an object of attraction but certainly more than most
Fuentes is a willful attention magnet with the fortune of having a face that I would love to see in a gay porno.
It’s a weakness of mine, if a guy looks like he’d be good in a gay porno, I have a bit of affection. You rightfully referred to him as Pan with his Lost Boys, unfortunately for my “moral center” (hah) I like that type a lot.
As for his ideas, his ideas are worthless and best swept aside by Kanye West’s dick between his cheeks, which I really want to see.
Maybe I should run these ideas through Glen Greenwald and see how he feels about it. Everyone can get together and do a rated X fundraising show for the cause of anti Zionism or something. I think this is Glen Greenwald's thing.
Or was when I was younger, my libido is lower now I got old.
If the guy on the bottom is slightly feminine, it's very sensual and hot. It's only a horror comedy if we're talking like two old fat dudes going at it.
The Interview with the Vampire show has very sensual homosexuality. Drop everything you're thinking and doing and check out Lestat, he is glorious.
I have a separate complaint about Fuentes which ties into yours.
A while back there was a jpeg floating around purporting to be the Facebook page of the younger Bondi Beach shooter, showing that he was an Israeli soldier from Tel Aviv. Not only was the page an AI fake, it was like the kind of AI art you would have seen two years ago with strings of gibberish text. One of the friends on his page was just called "Jewish Friend" or something like that, he linked an article on Shabbat traditions from "article.com". It occurred to me this was perfect propaganda. If it fooled someone, great. If it was detected, you could just be like "LOL this was a obviously a joke, I can't believe you took this seriously".
Somehow, Fuentes seems to continuously operate at this level. You can accept anything he says that you like or write off as a joke anything you don't like, and it covers up the fact that it's not clear he believes in anything except yes, keeping his fans happy.
I think the most obvious problem with Fuentes, as is with most far right-wing pundits (thinking particularly of Jonathan Bowden), is the fundamental nature of a far-right movement. It needs to apply to conservatives, the base of the right wing, but all far right movements are inheritance revolutionary, not conservative. Fuentes speaks on returning to an "old" America, but that old America was never what he wants. America was always protestant, liberal, individualist, and secular (in the state) and so the kind of catholic, even theocratic, "traditionalism" Fuentes wants has nothing to do with a return to American tradition. So all of these contradictory viewpoints all arise from trying to move a conservative base to a revolutionary movement.
His days are numbered. He created a gollum of low-IQ antisemitism he’s beginning to lose control over. His recent feud with Bilzerian gives us a preview for how his ultimate downfall will be structured.
Malcolm X and George Lincoln Rockwell were both taken out by their own, not their perceived external enemies.
Fuentes’ fate will be no different, and he will be the only one to blame.
I don't even know what groyperism is or what (actually I sort of do there was some groyper frog twitter account that posted memes, but aside from that I really don't know).
All I know is the counterpoint: libtards need to suffer extreme ideological death for their behavior during the PHEIC and George Floyd. That alone is reason enough to support literally - quite literally - *ANYTHING* other than them. The mental idiocy of Blickity Black Lives Matter is enough to justify supporting people who believe in demonic UFO's.
Let them wear masks and choke to death on vaccines. Let them die in their own mental retardation. There is one thing that has to happen in the next few years, the total extinction of the idea of "equality".
I love your energy. I love your faggot energy. I love that you don't even know what you inject into yourself. I love that you assume. I do hope that at some point it becomes legal to FUNKYTOWN people like you.
he does have great instincts and i’m pretty sure his camp is grooming a candidate for 28 (John Mcentee or adjacent..?) but i really hope he endorses NATO and a Newsom/Platner/Spanberger ticket in 28
I would find that highly unlikely for any of that to occur. Most likely outcome is he sits it out when his preferred candidate gets less than 10% in the primary.
I didn't realize how similar Fuentes is to Trump
I think you're underestimating the tactical reasoning behind some of his inconsistencies. The functional value of keeping the Groyper army mobilized and loyal outweighs the intellectual gymnastics needed to keep the goyim entertained. If you want to capitalize on a political black swan moment, you need a unified group which requires the regular culling of counter signalers. Hope to see you back on Alexandria soon.
Quotes from my article:
"Nick Fuentes thrives in ambiguity."
"the ambiguity of the statement is purposeful, to achieve a rhetorical effect and energize his audience."
"he sometimes contradicts himself by claiming that the COVID vaccine wasn’t that bad, or multi-racialism can sometimes work. This gives otherwise intelligent people an “out” into supporting him."
"Fuentes is constantly running a marketing campaign, A-B testing his ideology, to adapt to the Dionysian emotional needs of his audience. Fuentes is a surfer riding the meme waves."
"Fuentes is effective at what he does. He is the best of all time, the king of grifters."
Nick has straight up admitted that he’s a flip flopper before and said it was fine because he’s not running for office. And he’s never once said that society has to be homogenous - he wants a white based of around 85 - 90% with room for some minorities.
Yea that's one of the main premises of the article, did you even read it?
Just read it a second time to be sure...where is this premises directly expressed?
Did you even read it? lmao
You edited your comment and it's still in broken english.
Deepleft: would you agree that Hispanics and/or Hispanic neighborhoods are louder, dirtier, more crime-ridden, more third world that non-Hispanic neighborhoods? If so, given that Hispanics are the largest immigrant group, are those statements about immigration really so ridiculous?
Who are we to disagree with the lived experience and ways of knowing of this Latinx activist?
Hispanics make up 52% of immigrants. However, the composition of Hispanic immigration is changing over time. The concentration of poor Hispanics creating the conditions you describe does not allow for us to fairly describe immigrants generally as loud, dirty, and criminal.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/04/07/education-levels-of-recent-latino-immigrants-in-the-u-s-reached-new-highs-as-of-2018/
"In 2018, 33% of U.S. adults ages 25 and older had at least a bachelor’s degree, 7 percentage points higher than recently arrived Latino immigrants. In 1990, by comparison, there was an 11-point gap."
"Recently arrived" is comparing mostly young Hispanics with much older Americans for whom a bachelor's degree was a lot more selective. Even if you take it at face value then at that pace it will take decades for that gap to disappear just in the *recently arrived Latino* group.
Also, I can't help but notice that the big change in the education graph was during Trump's presidency, a time when illegal/uneducated Hispanics were presumably less likely to answer government surveys.
Even highly selective migration doesn't work that well in groups from a low mean, due to regression towards the mean after the first generation: https://www.cremieux.xyz/p/the-myth-of-nigerian-excellence
You're not getting the point. The future of American immigration is Asian, not Hispanic. You're living in the past.
The future may be Asian to the degree that left-wing immigration policy loses out, since they enable illegal/humanitarian/family-based immigration more than skilled immigration. The advent of AI may further devalue high-skill immigration.
Isn’t it true that groyperism (mirroring their leader) only exists because of their personal attraction to Nick? I feel like a lot of them wouldn’t be RW at all if it weren’t for their homosexual attraction to the man, if he were to disappear then they would too (eventually) in the personal changing ideology sense. I think i’ve been reading too much about Napoleon, too much great man theory
I think that people's politics are first and foremost a result of personality traits. E-celebs like Nick are surfing a wave that exists, but he didn't create the wave.
Belle Delphine simps are obviously shaped by her but if it wasn’t her it would’ve been someone else
Destiny would be a Groyper if this was true.
I think he was demococked into woketardism, or anything else really, even his super fans wouldn’t follow him funnily enough. I think they genuinely hold their beliefs, whilst being attracted to Nick. If Nick changed up they would probably just be in disarray without really doing anything as a group, the parasocial fallout could be only analysed individually, i.e the community would just disintegrate rather than “revolt” or “follow him”, Im just spitballing doe
I’ve never been a Groyper but the Dem support didn’t sound too weird, I never really considered him as a part of the actual American right, I am obviously wrong here though. But yeah a portion of fan base would follow him, maybe not as predictably as fan bases where the subject of the fan base is openly an object of attraction but certainly more than most
Fuentes is a willful attention magnet with the fortune of having a face that I would love to see in a gay porno.
It’s a weakness of mine, if a guy looks like he’d be good in a gay porno, I have a bit of affection. You rightfully referred to him as Pan with his Lost Boys, unfortunately for my “moral center” (hah) I like that type a lot.
As for his ideas, his ideas are worthless and best swept aside by Kanye West’s dick between his cheeks, which I really want to see.
I cannot endorse these fantasies
Hm.
Maybe I should run these ideas through Glen Greenwald and see how he feels about it. Everyone can get together and do a rated X fundraising show for the cause of anti Zionism or something. I think this is Glen Greenwald's thing.
I think gay sex is a horror-comedy
I am a hardcore yaoi enthusiast.
Or was when I was younger, my libido is lower now I got old.
If the guy on the bottom is slightly feminine, it's very sensual and hot. It's only a horror comedy if we're talking like two old fat dudes going at it.
The Interview with the Vampire show has very sensual homosexuality. Drop everything you're thinking and doing and check out Lestat, he is glorious.
https://youtu.be/kRMdctBNPXs
I have a separate complaint about Fuentes which ties into yours.
A while back there was a jpeg floating around purporting to be the Facebook page of the younger Bondi Beach shooter, showing that he was an Israeli soldier from Tel Aviv. Not only was the page an AI fake, it was like the kind of AI art you would have seen two years ago with strings of gibberish text. One of the friends on his page was just called "Jewish Friend" or something like that, he linked an article on Shabbat traditions from "article.com". It occurred to me this was perfect propaganda. If it fooled someone, great. If it was detected, you could just be like "LOL this was a obviously a joke, I can't believe you took this seriously".
Somehow, Fuentes seems to continuously operate at this level. You can accept anything he says that you like or write off as a joke anything you don't like, and it covers up the fact that it's not clear he believes in anything except yes, keeping his fans happy.
I think the most obvious problem with Fuentes, as is with most far right-wing pundits (thinking particularly of Jonathan Bowden), is the fundamental nature of a far-right movement. It needs to apply to conservatives, the base of the right wing, but all far right movements are inheritance revolutionary, not conservative. Fuentes speaks on returning to an "old" America, but that old America was never what he wants. America was always protestant, liberal, individualist, and secular (in the state) and so the kind of catholic, even theocratic, "traditionalism" Fuentes wants has nothing to do with a return to American tradition. So all of these contradictory viewpoints all arise from trying to move a conservative base to a revolutionary movement.
His days are numbered. He created a gollum of low-IQ antisemitism he’s beginning to lose control over. His recent feud with Bilzerian gives us a preview for how his ultimate downfall will be structured.
Malcolm X and George Lincoln Rockwell were both taken out by their own, not their perceived external enemies.
Fuentes’ fate will be no different, and he will be the only one to blame.
Fucking love Fuentes. My enemy’s enemy is my friend
I don't even know what groyperism is or what (actually I sort of do there was some groyper frog twitter account that posted memes, but aside from that I really don't know).
All I know is the counterpoint: libtards need to suffer extreme ideological death for their behavior during the PHEIC and George Floyd. That alone is reason enough to support literally - quite literally - *ANYTHING* other than them. The mental idiocy of Blickity Black Lives Matter is enough to justify supporting people who believe in demonic UFO's.
Let them wear masks and choke to death on vaccines. Let them die in their own mental retardation. There is one thing that has to happen in the next few years, the total extinction of the idea of "equality".
Ah you're still hoping for a vaccine die off, good luck.
Please unsubscribe from me.
"hoping for a vaccne die off"
I love your energy. I love your faggot energy. I love that you don't even know what you inject into yourself. I love that you assume. I do hope that at some point it becomes legal to FUNKYTOWN people like you.
All of you deserve it.
he does have great instincts and i’m pretty sure his camp is grooming a candidate for 28 (John Mcentee or adjacent..?) but i really hope he endorses NATO and a Newsom/Platner/Spanberger ticket in 28
I would find that highly unlikely for any of that to occur. Most likely outcome is he sits it out when his preferred candidate gets less than 10% in the primary.